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Brickguy221

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How much Elixir is enough?
« on: April 15, 2003, 08:23:05 PM »
The direction say: "Apply solution with a clean dry rag in a circular motion. Let solution soak in and wipe dry after 20 minutes. Wait one hr. before using. Repeat when necessary."

It doesn't matter what ball I put it on and I put it on very generously, there is none to wipe off after 2 minutes, let alone 20 minutes. For example, I had my AMF Angle Evolution "Extra" refinished and sanded to 800 by the Pro Shop the other day plus had them also polish it. I took the ball home and put a coat of Elixir on it. Within two minutes the ball had completely soaked it all up. I waited 20 minutes per the directions (of coarse there was none to wipe off) and applied a second coat. Two minutes later, ball completely dry. Waited another 20 minutes and etc. etc. untill I had 4 coats on it. The next day I added a 5th coat and still same results. I think I could have used the whole bottle of Elixir on it and the ball would still have drank more. So....to sum it up, why did the ball continue to drink all I would give it? If the ball continued to "gulp" the Elixir, then it would appear that it isn't sealing the ball off to keep it from "gulping" oil also.

Can this Elixir really be working and doing what it is supposed to do?
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mumzie

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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2003, 12:14:38 PM »
I've got a question. After that many coats, does the ball hook at all any more???
I like what the elixer does for the oil pick up problem - but it took away the awesome ball reaction from the one piece of equipment I put it on - took about 6 boards of finish off the ball. I took the elixer off the ball, and am happy again.

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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2003, 12:35:59 PM »
Haven't noticed it effecting the ball. Bowled with it in one house last Thursday and a different one yesterday. Of coarse the Angle Extra is an aggressvie ball and I had it sanded to 800 and polished. (comes sanded 1500 and dull) Lanes were approximately medium-heavy between 15-15, lighter than that from approximately 15-8 and dry outside 8.

I don't think it is effecting the hook as it appears the ball is drinking this stuff plumb down to the core.
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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2003, 01:09:05 PM »
Yes It does take away a little reaction.  I found that (at least for my dc warlock tour) if you take some scotch bright and bring it down a level from where it's at, then apply the elixir, it will act the way you want it to.

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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2003, 01:27:10 PM »
I'll try that. Thanks!
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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2003, 02:06:12 PM »
Brickguy221 - What you are experiencing is normal if it is a porous coverstock.  You hadn't mentioned what ball you applied the Elixir to.  Have you tried the oil drop test as mentioned on the website?  I bet it is doing the job it is meant to do.  The Elixir microscopically bonds to the coverstock and does not fill the pores of the ball like other finishes on the market.

mumzie - What you are experiencing is a by product of the Elixir.  Most people take the coverstock down one notch and reapply the Elixir and they are back to where they started with having the same reaction and all the oil protecting qualities of the Elixir.

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Brickguy221

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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2003, 05:11:44 PM »
1. Doc, you asked what Ball I applied it to. Go back and read my Topic again. I stated in the topic that it was the AMF Evolution "Extra", an aggressive ball that I applied it to.
2. Doc, are you saying that since the Elixir doesn't seal the ball, but bonds to the coverstock microscopally, that it won't let the oil let get into the coverstock? In other words, when Elixir is applied, the ball will drink all I put on, but will resist and not drink the drink oil? Note....I reapply Elixir to all my balls every 20-25 games, but this Angle Extra ball is the worse about soaking up the Elixir. Note....it takes my Pearl balls about 4-5 minutes to soak up the Elixir to where they are completely dry. They too will drink all I put on, but at a slower rate. Of coarse Pearls don't soak up much oil anyhow even without Elixir. For example, I had a Trauma Recovery that had 125-150 games on it. No Elixir applied on this ball. I set it out in the sun (which is a no-no) last summer for an hr. and hardly any oil at all came out of it.
3. Mumzie- Docs statement about taking the ball down a notch is probably why the total of 5 coats of Elixir didn't effect the performance of the Evolution Extra as it comes sanded at 1500 and Dull and I took it down to 800 before polishing it and applying the Elixir. That is the reason I took it down as I was afraid that it might effect the balls performance. Especially since I was going to polish it as polished balls don't always work well for me with my bowling style/release.
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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2003, 08:23:38 PM »
Brickguy - The oil molecules are much bigger than than the Elixir bond.  Think of Goretex coated fabrics.  The fabric can breathe but the water molecules can't get through the fabric because they are too big.

I have tested this coverstock and it does soak up the Elixir but it will seal the pores after 3 coats.  I have done the oil drop test to see if it resists the oil and it does.

Reapply the Elixir and test it out by doing the oil drop test and keep applying until it passes.  Just be sure to give at least 1 hour before coats.

I always tell people to throw the ball to see what the reaction is like first before taking it down a notch.

As there is no way to see what conditions you the bowler are throwing on and with what ball you have and what surface and what your axis rotation, rev rate and axis tilt and track area are I can only give you bowlers estimates of what I have seen from my experience of the vast majority of bowlers out there.

Most of the time when bowlers are experiencing problems with the Elixir it is because of improper cleaning techniques prior to application, improper application techniques and over use use of abrasive cleaners.

As I state time and time again just wiping the ball down in between frames should be enough to take care of the ball.  

Cleaning can be done with a mild soap solution.  

Please message me with your difficult problems and let me try to help you all.


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Brickguy221

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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2003, 08:56:28 PM »
Ok Doc. I will now "rest in peace" feeling confident that the Elixir is doing it's job. With this coverstock taking 3 coats to seal the pores, I should be in good shape with the 5 coats I put on. LOL

Unless I hear different from you, I will assume that with the base 5 coats that I put on it, that one coat every 20-25 games should be satisfactory from now on, unless I were to change the coverstock.

Thanks for the explaination. The "Gortex" was a good example in understanding how it works.
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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2003, 07:18:49 AM »
Brickguy - Your welcome for the explanation.  If you ever doubt the ability of the Elixir just do the oil drop test on the track area of your ball.  That will determine the need for application.

On some of my bowling balls I have gotten over 40 games before the need to reapply.


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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2003, 09:17:01 PM »
It would be my guess that the oil drop test would show the best results in the track area of the ball, since that is the area of the coverstock that is most prone to wearing effects caused by friction with the lane.

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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2003, 07:59:10 AM »
10 In The Pit may be right in where to do the oil drop test. I hadn't even thought of that.
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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2003, 02:11:36 PM »
Hmmmmmm - I think there was an echo or 10ITP was reading my mind.  His post was soon after mine and I could have sworn I said the same thing.

10ITP knows quite a bit about the Elixir and his advice is pretty much right on to what I have said before. He is a good spokemodel.

Now only if I had a gal like Aria Giovonni marketing my Elixir.
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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2003, 03:20:24 PM »
Thanks, Doc. I figured that taking the coverstock down a notch would fix the problem. I just put it on one ball, untreated, just to see what would happen. Exactly as I expected. The problem was that I needed the ball and only had time to hit it with a scotch brite - no time to take it down AND put elixer on it.

and the Elixer really DOES keep the ball from soaking up the oil. I put it on the most notorious oil soaker I had, and it kept the absorbsion to nothing.

My spinner should be here in a week or so - at that time, I will take the ball back down, and put elixer on it again.
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Re: How much Elixir is enough?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2003, 07:45:26 AM »
Munmzie - Good to hear.  Any more question feel free to ask.
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