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Kanyon

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Simple Green
« on: March 05, 2010, 10:11:46 AM »
To those that use Simple Green and alcohol, to you use half of each or do you put any water in it.
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2010, 09:40:36 PM »
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That's fine, do what you please. Bowling ball cleaner costs around $10-$15 depending on location and brand....a new bowling ball costs between $150-$250....I can see where using a household cleaner saves money....
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Whats with Brunswicks ball cleaner?..... Looks like windex smells like windex but costs 10X what windex does....Looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a ..... staffer that gets their equip & cleaners free.. ooo ooops i ment Duck
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2010, 10:40:09 PM »
Im a douche becuase i use a cleaner that cleans better than anything made. I odnt know one shop that ive been to that doesnt use acetone to get the rubber marks off. and in my house thats all i get on there so i just use it all the time its what they use on customers balls. We even cleaned pros balls with it while they were there with an "offical" talking to them. no one cares about the stupid rules of "usbc" or should i say U Steal Bowlers Cash. and Glad to see your a true BR person shelly even though you have never seen me/ talked to me in your life. but morons will be morons. So just keep buying your windex I mean ball cleaner. and the pro shop that probably doesnt use it themself will make 10+ dollars off you
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 08:28:53 AM »
I just use rubbing alcohol. I have tried most of the ball cleaners on the market and always come back to rubbing alcohol. Its cheap and it does a good job. If you want a scent get the menthol stuff. I''m not paying 8 or 10 dollars for cleaners that don''t work as well. I have NEVER ruined the coverstock of a ball with it either, if simple green works for you use it. All these dire consequences for the cover of the ball really gets old. That will be the next myth by the ball companies to say you used the WRONG cleaner that''s why your HOOK O''THE MONTH ball died!
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2010, 08:58:20 AM »
Just curious, I used the hot water bath for the first time and when I was cleaning the ball whabt bubbles there were from the dawn were pinkish. Is this the oil or am I doing it wrong?
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2010, 03:47:14 PM »
I have to agree with both sides of the fence on this topic. As a pro shop owner any customer that wants equipment cleaned gets it cleaned with an actual 'ball cleaner". When they ask what to use when they purchase a new ball, I recommend a manufacturers ball cleaner, but also tell tem about simple green/alcohol mixture. To some, they will not spend $7-$10 for a quality ball cleaner, but will get simple green/alcohol. As far as I see it, I would much rather them clean it with something than to complain when their ball has lost reaction because if they can't afford a bottle of ball cleaner, they definately can't afford a new ball. Lot of good information in this subject.
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2010, 04:47:13 PM »
I've been researching this today, trying to replace my gallon bottle of Storm ReactaClean when it runs dry.  What I have found is I can buy a 1 gallon bottle of Simple Green which is actually 2-4 gallons when diluted down.  So I can spend 80.00 on a gallon of ReactaClean or less than 20.00 for 2-4 gallons of Simple Green.  That is an amazing amount of savings, so is there really that much difference to make the price of 5.00 basically vs. 80.00 worth it? (at 1/4 diluted Simple Green by itself, of course rubbing alcohol is really cheap to add in also).  All I know is the amount I bowl, and balls I own, I went through the gallon of ReactaClean in about 4 months, so would be really nice to save so much money (1.25 a month vs. 20.00 a month).  Also I heard that the best out there is the Brunswick Renew-IT Neo Tack, but I have no clue on that, just read that it really can get all the scuff marks out completely, which ReactaClean does not do that.  Does anyone know if SimpleGreen and Alcohol will also do the same, get all the scuffs and track marks out?  That's really what I'm looking for, was what I originally was researching, but ran into this world of really cheap possibilities with Simple Green/Alcohol which seems to be used by many many people (so guessing it really is not any less than the companies official ball cleaners, since a lot of people use it, but wondering if it really removes scuffs etc.).

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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2010, 07:13:04 PM »
I use simple green/alcohol (50/50 mix).  I find it works just as well if not better than some company's cleaners, such as Ebonite Factory Finish and Storm ReactaClean.

My shop told me not to use alcohol on urethane as it makes the cover brittle, so for that I use Windex.

I used acetone for awhile without knowing it, as a local shop mixed some in for their "special" formula cleaner.  A buddy smelled it and knew immediately from the old days when people used it to soften up balls.  It took everything off like magic, but when I found out what I was using I stopped.
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2010, 10:50:17 PM »
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I use simple green/alcohol (50/50 mix).  I find it works just as well if not better than some company's cleaners, such as Ebonite Factory Finish and Storm ReactaClean.

My shop told me not to use alcohol on urethane as it makes the cover brittle, so for that I use Windex.

I used acetone for awhile without knowing it, as a local shop mixed some in for their "special" formula cleaner.  A buddy smelled it and knew immediately from the old days when people used it to soften up balls.  It took everything off like magic, but when I found out what I was using I stopped.


Acetone softens urethane balls not reactive
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2010, 08:01:21 AM »
I do not work for a ball company. I work in a pro shop that only uses MANUFACTURED ball cleaners, not homemade cleaners. We carry all Ebonite and Storm cleaners. All I am saying is that if you really want your equipment to last as long as possible, use a real ball cleaner that is manufactured for bowling equipment. You should also have the ball revived every once in a while. People invest a lot of money in their bowling equipment and should maintain them as much as possible. Just because a product is "approved" by USBC doesn't make it a good choice to use as a cleaner.
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2010, 09:35:01 AM »
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Acetone softens urethane balls not reactive


Reactive resin balls are modified urethane.  --  JohnP
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2010, 10:19:03 AM »
I have tried several of the cleaners mentioned. The Motiv cleaner doesn't work as well for me as it seems to for everyone else. I got it free at the '09 BTM SuperSchool, so maybe they gave us the cheap formula.

I have tried Powerhouse and Storm, neither are as effective as Simple Green or the Simple Green mix with water/alcohol.

Acetone will take ANYTHING off the cover of your ball, but seems to leave an odd feel to the surface. Not to mention it is pretty flammable, so not the safest thing to use.

Clean and Dull works well, just takes a little more time.

As for the commercial cleaners, Lane Masters is the best I have tried. The odor is a bit harsh, but nothing else cleans as well.
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2010, 01:31:23 PM »
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I do not work for a ball company. I work in a pro shop that only uses MANUFACTURED ball cleaners, not homemade cleaners. We carry all Ebonite and Storm cleaners. All I am saying is that if you really want your equipment to last as long as possible, use a real ball cleaner that is manufactured for bowling equipment. You should also have the ball revived every once in a while. People invest a lot of money in their bowling equipment and should maintain them as much as possible. Just because a product is "approved" by USBC doesn't make it a good choice to use as a cleaner.
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http://www.bowlingball.com/brunswick-brunswick-remove-all-ball-cleaner-32-oz-bowling-accessory.html

the above "ball cleaner" is windex with a higher price tag and a bowling logo.
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Thunder835

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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2010, 02:05:55 PM »
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I do not work for a ball company. I work in a pro shop that only uses MANUFACTURED ball cleaners, not homemade cleaners. We carry all Ebonite and Storm cleaners. All I am saying is that if you really want your equipment to last as long as possible, use a real ball cleaner that is manufactured for bowling equipment. You should also have the ball revived every once in a while. People invest a lot of money in their bowling equipment and should maintain them as much as possible. Just because a product is "approved" by USBC doesn''t make it a good choice to use as a cleaner.
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http://www.bowlingball.com/brunswick-brunswick-remove-all-ball-cleaner-32-oz-bowling-accessory.html

the above "ball cleaner" is windex with a higher price tag and a bowling logo.


Maybe you haven''t read my posts. I never mentioned any Brunswick cleaners. I mentioned that we use EBONITE and STORM cleaners. However, that Brunswick cleaner is better for bowling equipment than Simple Green and Alcohol and Acetone!
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2010, 02:30:04 PM »
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ALL of the ball cleaners made by ball companies (chemical companies) are a form of alcohol, citric acid, and surfactants.  Nothing fancy, nothing out of the ordinary, made with household chemicals.  I have to laugh at anybody that thinks a cleaner such as Simple Green, which you can put your hands in, is actually going to hurt your bowling ball.  If you do believe that, by all means pay a fortune for your pre-made cleaner.  I am sure you are the type that pays more for a genuine "insert ball company here" microfiber towel instead of the no name brand you can get at the local AutoZone auto parts store for half the money.



I completely agree. And if you don't have AutoZone close by, Home Depot and Lowes sells microfiber towels in bundles for what you would pay for a single towel.
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Re: Simple Green
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2010, 02:31:44 PM »
It's actually 10-15 dollars for a few ounces, while it seems one can make 256 ounces of comparable stuff for about the same price.  That's quite drastic, and the amount I bowl a few ounces doesn't last very long for that price.  Also what harm does it really do, if it did harm it using simple green I'm sure someone would have proof, but I've not found a single scientific reason proving it harms a ball at all to use Simple Green.  I am looking to switch, and really only want to hear hard evidence, I know acetone is bad, obvious, so that's a no-go.  But simple green has only had people raise fear about it, but absolutely no real hard scientific reasons why it could hurt a bowling ball.  Really it doesn't matter what you clean it with as long as you rejuvenate it every 50-100 games anyways.  It's all essentially the same thing, just the performance during that 50-100 games could be enhanced by cleaning it.  I'm all for finding something that avoids having to spend a ton of money on something that really just is supposed to clean a bowling ball, a few ounces for 10-15 dollars sounds insane to me, just crazy compared to 256 ounces of stuff for the same price when buying simple green.  I've not used it yet, but looking to change, so not really on either side just yet (just know my storm reacta clean isn't that magical, just cleans, and doesn't remove all the marks ever).

Chris
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