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pin on the PAP come to emulate the reaction of a urethane ball?

May I politely ask those with high ball speeds to not reply to this query. We know your ball speed reduces the backend of any ball. So you never worry about this subject.

Eeven my most even rolling resin have a lot of backend on/in my league, with 30 feet of guardian and short oil and incredible backend. My urethanes are good until the 3rd & 4th games when carrydown affects their carry.

So I'm wondering about this drilling. I have never used it. I have not yet (until now) believed I would need it.

Thoughts?
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 10:34:20 PM »
I actually had a Storm La Nina drilled similar to that! The pin was like 1-1/2" from my pap and I was able to play more of the outside drier boards and the ball would hook/set and actually played really good! Now I'm asking myself why I don't have a ball in my arsenal now to be able to play when the lanes breakdown! It does take the snap off the backend and it's more even rolling!
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 10:44:09 PM »
I have a couple of balls drilled this way. for me they react very much like a urethane ball would with the exception of a little bit more length and a little more backend. I want to say though you can get some serious over under, or atleast I have until I played around with surface adjustments. One of the balls I have drilled this way (revolution rebel pearl) usually doesn't leave my bag when bowling somewhere I am unfamiliar with. Hope this helps.

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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2010, 12:17:04 AM »
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I have a couple of balls drilled this way. for me they react very much like a urethane ball would with the exception of a little bit more length and a little more backend. I want to say though you can get some serious over under, or atleast I have until I played around with surface adjustments. One of the balls I have drilled this way (revolution rebel pearl) usually doesn't leave my bag when bowling somewhere I am unfamiliar with. Hope this helps.


AH! It's that "little" that concerns me.

My Visionary Gladiator Pearl, a very even and smooth reacting ball, that made a HUGE left turn when I slowed down the least little bit tonight that prompted this post.

"God" is still residing in the details.

I'm considering drilling a medium-light oil pearl (Sharp Noize, Freeze, Dark Star, BackSlash Red/Purple, Hype reactive, Boom, etc.) with pin on PAP but still wonder how this type of drill will smoothe out the basic reaction.
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2010, 12:36:02 AM »
The last ball I had drilled pin-axis was a Triton TKO, and it was very, very  smooth reacting, very rolly(600-grit). It was a little lacking in hitting power(probably too much surface), but it was as controllable as can be, for me.

As to the Darkstar, mine is very smooth at the break(layout in profile), sometimes too smooth. It has trouble cornering and carrying from deep lines(4th arrow and in), but 3rd arrow and out it's very effective. The best thing about it is it doesn't go crazy at the break point.

Drilled pin-axis, I imagine this ball would be extremely controllable, though carry might be an issue.

I can't comment on the others you're considering drilling.


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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2010, 07:21:23 AM »
If you're going to take the core out of play by drilling pin axis, why not get a super cheap ball like an old Scout?  Would a more modern (true two piece) core still hit better?  I guess the core is still rolling with a pin axis (not tumbling with a normal drilling) so maybe it would do better than a 3 piece type core?  It's the reactive resin that jumps off the dry, not the core, so I would guess (as No Revs00300 suggested) that any resin is still going to be longer and have more back end than a urethane.

Have you tried plastic?  Maybe you'd be further right of the urethane, only having to move a little during the night staying out of the carry down?
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2010, 09:46:02 AM »
Strider,

I have no idea if such a ball would be better or worse. Those balls I listed were just off the top of me head. I am not locked into anything right now. Still not even sure about the idea. Thanks, though.

Plastic works at times. Sometimes, it too dry for that, outside of 10. Inside, it won''t turn. In the 3rd and 4th games, soemtimes urethane won''t make the turn in the carrydown and spottiness. There are so many seemingly "sometimes" conditions, in this league. Higher ball speed seems to be the only alternative that always works.
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2010, 10:06:44 AM »
you can drill a ball to reduce flare as much as you want, but it still comes down to the cover and how it will respond to friction. Drilling a pin axis ball will get you close to urethane motion but even the weakest resin cover will spark more in the dry.
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2010, 10:09:05 AM »
Jeff,

I didn't like this drilling at all.  Had it on a couple of balling balls and carry was always a probelm.  Would work ok on short oil patterns but would pick up too early and roll out.

The drilling that worked better for me was the pin half way between the pap and middle of the span and the CG middle of the span.  I realize that bowlers have different PAPs, but I would recommend goin a little left of the PAP and putting the CG in the middle of the span.





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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2010, 10:28:58 AM »
Well...

I don't think it is your solution for starters...

But I remember Richie of Lane1 was a big proponent of this on Plastic!

However he has a lot of hand(no thumber) AND he also added a variation ...that being a weighthole 9 inches from Grip center at a was it 4:30 direction?  I think.

This gave it a little pop at the end!

I'm surprised a urethane doesn't work....and the problem is too much carrydown to carry(not enough backend implied)....and yet if not enough speed...too much backend it sounds like.

Sort of confusing..description really.

Do you have a pearl urethane?...Also how about a pearl urethane with a reaction enhancing weight hole?  Sounds goods.  If the ball is moving too soon and yet has too little backend?  Maybe?

My son has a Red Hammer....that is a nice ball(but I can't think of any pearl urethanes these days).

REgards,

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PS somewhere I have I have a blue pearl urethane in storage...never used by me but by someone else.


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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 10:31:47 AM »
I have tried this and similar drillings many times over the years. Invariably, I got rid of them! Like Nicanor, they rolled way too early and hit very flat.I had no "miss" room. Urethane was much better. Plastic was much better. Plastic with some surface is much better(like 2000AB) A Starburst XXXL is a much better option, if you don't already have one. Another option would be a pancake cored plastic ball with the layout the winners used recently. My best results for a similar drilling are 2 1/4" pin to pap. Still flares a little and has a little area and is MUCH more forgiving than pin on pap. At least with one of the plastic options, you can play right of the urethanes with no over/under. If you must try it, I wouldn't go closer than 1 1/2", otherwise as Mo Pinel states " it will [lock] on the pin if it is any closer". I, too am fighting too much backend almost everywhere I bowl, because of reduced ball speed due to health problems.
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 10:44:49 AM »
Something e did here for a guy with the exact same thing going on, was go "old school".

 Back in the urethane days, he used to shoot lights out with a two piece ball with the pin "IN", drilled what was called "block weight" ( pin and cg three inches from grip center on midline, x-hole three inches past that, also on midline), so we got an older reactive (CRUSH/R) with the pin "IN" and drilled it up that way. The pin & cg ended up about 2 inches from his pap and the x-hole brought it back to 3/4oz positive side.

 He just started using it a few weeks ago, and hasn't shot anything BIG with it (does have a couple of 650's though), but was still playing with the surface. He had it at 1000ab this week, and the ball was VERY urethanish.

 Swung out into the dry, it NEVER snapped, just arced and rolled. When pulled just a touch, it held. Thing is, it did seem to have that reactive POP when it hit the pins. And, like in the old days, it was just a matter of where to hit the dry breakpoint. He even said it was like bowling in a time warp from the 1980's. He could actually use the dry outsides, swinging out to it to get the ball to set harder. The further into the dry he threw it, the harder it arced and rolled, but like I said earlier, NEVER snapped.
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 01:51:08 PM »
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you can drill a ball to reduce flare as much as you want, but it still comes down to the cover and how it will respond to friction. Drilling a pin axis ball will get you close to urethane motion but even the weakest resin cover will spark more in the dry.
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Sorry, but definitely not true.
Some mild resin pearls, like my original Hot Rod Pearl and my Slingshot, get better length than my Desperado, even with the Desperado's high pin and polished pearl urethane coverstock.
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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 01:53:14 PM »
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Jeff,

I didn't like this drilling at all.  Had it on a couple of balling balls and carry was always a probelm.  Would work ok on short oil patterns but would pick up too early and roll out.



Darn, Barry, and  you have much high ball speed than I do.

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The drilling that worked better for me was the pin half way between the pap and middle of the span and the CG middle of the span.  I realize that bowlers have different PAPs, but I would recommend goin a little left of the PAP and putting the CG in the middle of the span.
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Thanks. If it worked for you, it could work for me. I do want to cut down the backend.

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Re: How close would drilling a pearl or polished solid with the ...
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 01:57:27 PM »
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I have tried this and similar drillings many times over the years. Invariably, I got rid of them! Like Nicanor, they rolled way too early and hit very flat.I had no "miss" room. Urethane was much better. Plastic was much better. Plastic with some surface is much better(like 2000AB) A Starburst XXXL is a much better option, if you don't already have one. Another option would be a pancake cored plastic ball with the layout the winners used recently. My best results for a similar drilling are 2 1/4" pin to pap. Still flares a little and has a little area and is MUCH more forgiving than pin on pap. At least with one of the plastic options, you can play right of the urethanes with no over/under. If you must try it, I wouldn't go closer than 1 1/2", otherwise as Mo Pinel states " it will [lock] on the pin if it is any closer". I, too am fighting too much backend almost everywhere I bowl, because of reduced ball speed due to health problems.
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Pooh,

I have used pancake plastic at times successfully: both Blue Dot and Ice Storm. Last time the heads were really fried around 10 boards, such that I actually couldn't the ball thru the 2nd arrow out to the 5 board, yet inside had too much oil for the plastic. I know well about the XXXL. A friend uses it well. There are a couple of options I want to try before I try another NEW ball.

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