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mumzie

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Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« on: December 21, 2003, 05:39:48 AM »
I get soooo confused - pin in or out cg in, or kicked. PAP, 4x8, etc.

Is there one place to go that would have all the info?

Pin in means blah. Causes the ball to do this...
Pin out means blah blah. Causes the ball to do that.
CG in means...
CG out means...
How to measure PAP?
Where to put a weight hole for different effects

And so on.
I can figure out that one layout does something different than another (duh), but when someone asks me how I want a ball laid out, I don't have a clue where to start.
When would I ask for a pin in ball? pin out? more top weight? less?

You get the idea.
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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2003, 08:44:44 PM »
mumzie -- If there is one site that has all the info available, I'd like to know where it is too.  Until then, the site below has a lot of info in the "Mario's Secrets" section.  Good luck  --  JohnP


http://www.rollrite.co.uk/index.php

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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2003, 10:55:16 PM »
Mumzie,

I have not yet found one place to summarize all or even most of the drilling info. In fact, some manufacturer's drilling info is even contradictory; so, it is obvious no one site can posisbly give what you're asking for.

Marios's is good as are several ball manufacturers: Storm, Columbia, Brunswick (very good), Ebonite, Morich.

Bowling This Month used to be Excellent, but what I've learned (if it's of any value to anyone else) is a distillation of reading BTM  since 1996, talking to good drillers here (such as T-God, King of the Mill, Constantine, and the like), learning from my driller, drilling balls in different ways, and 453 other sources. Sorry, can't help.
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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2003, 11:52:28 PM »
Also recommended is the book "Revolutions 2" by Chip Zielke. It is not that easy to come by, but a few of the pro-shop has it - for instance http://www.bowling.com/productsbycategory.asp?ID=30&CategoryName=Books

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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2003, 06:42:38 AM »
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I haven't drilled the Inferno yet, so I don't know how accurate the Brunswick rep was, but my local guy is always right on the money. I say I want a specific reaction and from the drill sheet, one way will look right to me, but he'll say something different. He hasn't been wrong yet.

Now are you even more confused???
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amish_ashaman,

No. But if you are lucky enough to have a local driller whose advice works, then you are good to go, and you don't have to worry about all this stuff.
Count yourself EXTREMELY lucky, and in the minority. Truly knowledgeable drillers are few and far between.

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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2003, 07:41:13 AM »
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I haven't drilled the Inferno yet, so I don't know how accurate the Brunswick rep was, but my local guy is always right on the money. I say I want a specific reaction and from the drill sheet, one way will look right to me, but he'll say something different. He hasn't been wrong yet.

Now are you even more confused???
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amish_ashaman,

No. But if you are lucky enough to have a local driller whose advice works, then you are good to go, and you don't have to worry about all this stuff.
Count yourself EXTREMELY lucky, and in the minority. Truly knowledgeable drillers are few and far between.

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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2003, 08:26:18 AM »
this should make for some good reading.....

http://www.bowlingfans.com/jeff/ballreactionbasics.html


LuckyLefty

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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2003, 10:08:52 AM »
As many of you guys know this is JeffMop from this site!

I hope he doesn't mind me letting that out!

Geez and I thought that I was knowledgeable on this stuff!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS and remembering that using these ideas is not completely a science but also an art to some extent!  I have had balls that have had approximately similar specs drilled them both with a mass bias say towards the val and one would turn enough and hit and the other won't quite get there.  That second one required a slightly more stacked drilling to get the same turn.

In general there is no doubt that most balls today can turn the corner when drilled lable leverage or stacked with a 3 inch pin to pap or 4 inch pin to pap.

It is all the other drillings that may or may not work on a particular condition.
And how does one blend control with power for all the other less basic drillings and still maintain hit!  It is a delicate balancing act that truly is an art combined with the in the post referenced.  

Other important features are core shapes, specs, and flip blocks and their densities!
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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2003, 12:51:23 PM »
Ha, shows what I know.......


I am fairly new here though....found that link just by doing a search on google....

It was informative enought to tell me that my previous pro shop/driller doesn't know much....

Between that info and what I've learned here...I'm well on my way of know just enough to get me in trouble

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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2003, 01:15:43 PM »
What I didn't say well is that the site above was compiled by JeffMop of this site!
 
I have a lot more to offer on this topic and some of it may be overkill and some is probably boring but if others are REALLY interested I can give a lot of insight I've developed after drilling about 75 balls for myself in the last one year and a half AND sometimes trying multiple drills and weightholes on some.

I think there is a lot to core shape(which can be seen) and densities(which can't be seen) but which can be seen in ball roll, that are very important.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS if people are really REALLY interested I could post some excess over the top experiments and observations I've made!
PPS I could probably do something over the Holidays.
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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2003, 01:20:23 PM »
Ditto on the book jensm mentions.  I've read the book and it tells you everything you want to know about drilling, coverstock, ball cores, span, pitch, etc.  Want to know how the size and depth of the weight hole effects the ball reaction?  It'll let you know.  It even goes so far as to help you lay out an arsenal to battle different conditions.  Want to know what part of the lane is effected by the core shape?  Want to know what part of the lane is effected by the coverstock? ....
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2003, 05:59:28 PM »
No interest, no problem, a lot of boring sort of esoteric stuff that could put the normal person to sleep!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2003, 10:52:46 PM »
Hell Lucky,

I'd like the hear everything you've got!  You can't bore me, i'm a pretty good glutton for information.....

let's have it!

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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2003, 11:04:22 PM »
LuckyLefty,

Please post your experiences and findings.

I too think that core shape and drill combination affects each other assuming coverstock is of same aggresiveness.


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Re: Is there one place to go for all the drilling info?
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2003, 09:01:26 PM »
Gotta store up to unload!

Will try to do in the early AM.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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