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DukeHarding

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Question?
« on: January 25, 2006, 02:05:59 AM »
Never having rolled a Dynothane...what sets it off from other ball manufacturer's lines?
Saw one on the rack Monday night bowling...Don't see a lot of them.
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Re: Question?
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2006, 02:29:35 PM »
One thing I have noticed about D/T balls is they love to carry light hits. They carry all pocket shots well, but I have not thrown another companys balls that carried light hits as well as d/t. The covers are the main difference. I have probaly 400 games on my vendetta black and I bought it used. It is still going strong! I have 200-250 on my Thing Lives and I love it more each day. All I can say is try some D/T and decide for yourself.

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charlest

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Re: Question?
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2006, 05:19:18 PM »
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CM vs The One:
A theoretical question for you: The One has a box finish of 4000 and a BTM backend rank of 14.5.  If you knock the box finish down to 1-2000 wouldn’t the backend become weaker?  And the same for the CM, which is a solid/pearl mix, box finish… I’m not sure; a BTM backend rank of 16.0; if you polish the CM up a bit as suggested by some on here, wouldn’t the backend get stronger?

With the above info being very subjective, I know it really doesn’t work out that black & white on the lanes, but you see where I’m going with my thinking.  I don’t have a lot of hand, it just makes a lot more sense for me to get the CM and polish it as necessary and definitely end up with a strong backend ball; rather than taking a chance on The One.  If it (One) squirts too much in the box finish and I dull the cover, it doesn’t make sense to me that it would finish strong enough for me.  But that’s my level of experience talking too…

Thanks!
Dave


Dave,

you opened up a whole can of worms with stock finish on one pattern/amount of oil versus polishing up, in varying degrees, the stock cover and the new cover requiring/performing best on a different set/amount of oil. This is a discourse requiring many paragraphs/levels of discussion.


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Re: Question?
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2006, 06:30:07 PM »
quote:
quote:
CM vs The One:
A theoretical question for you: The One has a box finish of 4000 and a BTM backend rank of 14.5.  If you knock the box finish down to 1-2000 wouldn’t the backend become weaker?  And conversely for the CM, which is a solid/pearl mix, box finish… I’m not sure; a BTM backend rank of 16.0; if you polish the CM up a bit as suggested by some on here, wouldn’t the backend get stronger?

With the above info being very subjective, I know it really doesn’t work out that black & white on the lanes, but you see where I’m going with my thinking.  I don’t have a lot of hand, it just makes a lot more sense for me to get the CM and polish it as necessary and definitely end up with a strong backend ball; rather than taking a chance on The One.  If it (One) squirts too much in the box finish and I dull the cover, it doesn’t make sense to me that it would finish strong enough for me.  But that’s my level of experience talking too…

Thanks!
Dave


Dave,

you opened up a whole can of worms with stock finish on one pattern/amount of oil versus polishing up, in varying degrees, the stock cover and the new cover requiring/performing best on a different set/amount of oil. This is a discourse requiring many paragraphs/levels of discussion.


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Well, is someone holding you back?  What is your "reader's digest" answer?

Or if you'd rather, give us your dissertation.

Dave
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charlest

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Re: Question?
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2006, 07:45:20 PM »
quote:
quote:
quote:
CM vs The One:
A theoretical question for you: The One has a box finish of 4000 and a BTM backend rank of 14.5.  If you knock the box finish down to 1-2000 wouldn’t the backend become weaker?  And conversely for the CM, which is a solid/pearl mix, box finish… I’m not sure; a BTM backend rank of 16.0; if you polish the CM up a bit as suggested by some on here, wouldn’t the backend get stronger?
Thanks!
Dave


Dave,
you opened up a whole can of worms with stock finish on one pattern/amount of oil versus polishing up, in varying degrees, the stock cover and the new cover requiring/performing best on a different set/amount of oil. This is a discourse requiring many paragraphs/levels of discussion.
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Well, is someone holding you back?


Yup, typing with one hand, no upper case and little punctuation.

quote:

 What is your "reader's digest" answer?
Or if you'd rather, give us your dissertation.
Dave


OK, I'll try.
Briefly:
"CM vs The One:
A theoretical question for you: The One has a box finish of 4000 and a BTM backend rank of 14.5.  If you knock the box finish down to 1-2000 wouldn’t the backend become weaker?"

The One's box finish is not only 4000 grit, but also polished.
There are at least 4 down steps from box: 4000 grit, 2000 grit, 1500 grit and 1000 grit, all dull. all will make the ball grab the lane earlier and make the backend less, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO USE ALL 3 ON THE SAME OIL PATTERN & AMOUNT. the situation is rarely that simple. often, the case is the next step down is barely usable on the same pattern. As you decrease the grit level, you increase the amount of oil that the ball will handle and you generally increase the amount of overall hook, keeping all other factors identical.


"And conversely for the CM, which is a solid/pearl mix, box finish… I’m not sure; a BTM backend rank of 16.0; if you polish the CM up a bit as suggested by some on here, wouldn’t the backend get stronger?"

The same thing is true for the CM, in reverse, as you add either polish or increase the grit level (make the surface finer and finer), the ball skids further and further, usually conserving more and more energy. At what point you skid too far depends on all the usual relevant factors. At that point, the ball is to skid/flip to handle safely and speed and release consistency become super-critical,until you have zero room for error. Same picture in reverse for the One. As the CM gets a finer and shinier surface, you need to use it on less and less oil.

Some balls have wider ranges than others. Some high load solid particles can only be polished so far; they need a minimum of oil, no matter how you polish them. Some resin pearls will only handle so much oil; even at 320 or 400 grit dull they can only handle so much oil. solid resins, IN GENERAL, seem to have the widest range of  possibilities; between rough or ultra fine sanding and light to very heavy polishing, they can probably handle the widest range of oil pattersn, "IN GENERAL".

does this make sense?

Keep in mind that house oil patterns, like walls, xmas trees,top hats, can hide differences in balls, making seemingly very different balls have very similar ball reactions. drllings and balls with asymmetric cores (both of these balls have them) throw a ton more variables into this mix. that why i say things like, "in general", and "keeping all other variables or factors the same".

hand is kind of tired now; will be glad to answer any other questions later or tomorrow.


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