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Matt Fortney

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Cyclone Q
« on: December 11, 2012, 02:02:19 PM »
How different are the reactions of the pearlized looking Cyclones and the solid looking one? Are we talking a lot as far as shape, the solid being more arcy? Or is it close enough to make it not worth talking about? Just curious. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 02:13:39 PM »
The solid is stronger than the pearls. The difference should be a little less than what was seen between the One and One Pearl though...

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 08:46:18 AM »
A lot of people bought Cyclones in my area. The pearls were the most popular, especially since we have predominantly light oil to dryish lane conditions around here. That being the case.....there is a big difference between the solid and the pearl, when using it on these type conditions. I have a solid, and it is almost a skid/snap reaction on light oil conditions, versus the more arcy but continuous look put out by the pearls. If used on a medium and/or medium hvy condition.....I am more than sure those looks will change, considerably. Just my two cents.
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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 09:41:52 AM »
I was under the impression all of the Cyclones are the same.  The coverstock is the same GB 10.7 that was found on the One.  If one looks more "pearl-like" than another, it is because a pearl additive was added to that color for cosmetic reasons only and has no effect on performance.

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2012, 10:46:24 AM »
spmcgivern is correct! They all have The One coverstock 4000 abralon with factory finish polish! The only difference is the color and you can check ebonite.com to verify this info!! The description doesn't say anything about solid or pearl! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 11:59:58 AM »
spmcgivern is correct! They all have The One coverstock 4000 abralon with factory finish polish! The only difference is the color and you can check ebonite.com to verify this info!! The description doesn't say anything about solid or pearl! Just my $.02, Bruce

You are correct,Leanne Hulzenburg cleared this up on an earlier thread when she was on the EBI pro staff.

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 12:55:25 PM »
@ all that contributed comments: I KNOW WHAT EBONITE SAYS! I am just passing on to you the reactions I have personally seen. Wouldn't be the first time that a simple additive dramatically changed the reaction of a ball's hook shape.

Go back in the archives and pull up our long and drawn out conversations about how the different colors added to ball surfaces actually changed the length of hook shapes of balls in the 1990's. Many people found that the darker colors caused balls to hook more, whereas the lighter colored balls went longer. Just sayin'.....
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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 01:03:31 PM »
Jesse put them both at the same 500/4000 finish then compare.

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2012, 02:36:08 PM »
@ all that contributed comments: I KNOW WHAT EBONITE SAYS! I am just passing on to you the reactions I have personally seen. Wouldn't be the first time that a simple additive dramatically changed the reaction of a ball's hook shape.

Go back in the archives and pull up our long and drawn out conversations about how the different colors added to ball surfaces actually changed the length of hook shapes of balls in the 1990's. Many people found that the darker colors caused balls to hook more, whereas the lighter colored balls went longer. Just sayin'.....

If the difference in color made that big of a difference, then you wouldn't need a marketing department to decide on color combinations for new balls.  Also, by this assumption, all big hooking balls would be black and all weak balls would be white.  Because if a company can gain a slight advantage based on the color of the ball, they would jump on it in a heartbeat.

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2012, 05:43:49 PM »
I sat through the original Mission seminar and Ebonite (Ed Gallagher) stated that there was a color that made the ball hook more than the red color that they went to market with.

They selected red because they felt the other color wouldn't sell well.

Color matters...

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 08:12:42 PM »
Color definitely matters. Not something you can test on your own unless you buy 2 of the same ball, drill them the same, throw them exactly the same on the exact same conditions, and those 2 balls are drastically different in color.

According to Ebonite, their R&D dept. found that orange was the color that created the softest cover and thus hooked more.

That is what I recall.

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 09:12:42 AM »
Color definitely matters. Not something you can test on your own unless you buy 2 of the same ball, drill them the same, throw them exactly the same on the exact same conditions, and those 2 balls are drastically different in color.

According to Ebonite, their R&D dept. found that orange was the color that created the softest cover and thus hooked more.

That is what I recall.

No it was pink....which is why they didn't use it. They thought they would be hard pressed to get highly competitve men into a pink ball.

The orange was used on the 2.0....which hooked less.

Color does matter to a extremly extremly minute extent. Not enough to notice from the typical bowler in my opinion. Otherwise, as someone stated, all of the HP hook monsters would be dark colors.

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2012, 10:16:27 PM »
I was fortunate to do a factory tour of Ebonite recently
Colors do matter, it does affect the ball motion far more than you think.
And red is the strongest color according to the factory manager who gave us the tour.

Ebonite has invested a considerable amount of effort in cover technology.
They are the leader by far in this area

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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2012, 11:41:17 PM »
Jeff Ussery gave us the plant tour a few years ago before he became Hammer brand manager!!
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Re: Cyclone Q
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 01:34:44 AM »
Color definitely matters. Not something you can test on your own unless you buy 2 of the same ball, drill them the same, throw them exactly the same on the exact same conditions, and those 2 balls are drastically different in color.

According to Ebonite, their R&D dept. found that orange was the color that created the softest cover and thus hooked more.

That is what I recall.

No it was pink....which is why they didn't use it. They thought they would be hard pressed to get highly competitve men into a pink ball.

The orange was used on the 2.0....which hooked less.

Color does matter to a extremly extremly minute extent. Not enough to notice from the typical bowler in my opinion. Otherwise, as someone stated, all of the HP hook monsters would be dark colors.

I'd use that pink ball.  Hehe. Let it hook coast to coast and lets see if the bad boys don't turn pink.


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