Author Topic: Mission (Read 10369 times)

mainzer · « **on:** January 24, 2010, 04:43:46 AM »

Looked pretty good today on the t.v. show. Looked like it was coming back from anywhere and everywhere is was throwen
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tizzle · « **Reply #1 on:** January 24, 2010, 01:03:59 PM »

yeah... ebonite looks to be making some good stuff lately... actually all there sister companies are as well. I am glad to see something different winning on the tour this year.. other then storm/roto!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..Magical Action, a Nasty Spider, a very Sharp Noise, and a Spare Track.. how can I loose....

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completebowler · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:27:28 PM »

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yeah... ebonite looks to be making some good stuff lately... actually all there sister companies are as well. I am glad to see something different winning on the tour this year.. other then storm/roto!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..Magical Action, a Nasty Spider, a very Sharp Noise, and a Spare Track.. how can I loose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)

Yep...all four companies seem to be pumping out high quality stuff. Easily right there with anything available and the Mission might have a chance to stake claim to best ball.

I feel like Storm has been lacking innovation lately. The VE to me looked too similar to the Gravity and the Reign's are basically glorified T-Roads.

They better hope the Invasion is a hit.
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mainzer · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:32:13 PM »

I have not been a fan of Ebonite not Storm really, I have always used smaller companies stuff like MoRich or Visionary it has always done better for me but the Mission I may have to try if I get a chance that thing looks awesome.

I also Understand the Storm thing. I think they have been struggling in the R&D Dept the last while here.
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SKIDSNAP · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:03:06 PM »

You guys crack me up!!!

I watched Kelly on Friday as well she really matched up with that ball...at Red Rock...on that pattern...

I hate to bust the positive Hopkinsville wave you have going here but seriously...

Complete: the Reign is a glorified T-Road? Totally different core shape.

Lacking innovation... can you explain that??

you better get your eyes checked...

Mainzer - Please explain the "struggling in the R&D department"....

The Columbia Brand Manager is telling the crowd at their seminars that they are still chasing the VG. It has been over a year and they still are chasing.

Why don't we let the season play itself out before we ordain any ball or company the best thing out there.

Congrats to Kelly and her landmark victory today. She has outworked and outplayed them all.

tizzle · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:12:39 PM »

How are they chasing the VG when they have several balls that out hook the VG? and without the loss in reaction that the vg had. And please dont tell me they don't... I had 5 different ones and they all did the same thing... 20 games later they all had a loss in reaction!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..Magical Action, a Nasty Spider, a very Sharp Noise, and a Spare Track.. how can I loose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)

Strokewiththelefthand · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:25:11 PM »

Once again, the PBA sells another ball. LOL! Eventhough the ball looked good how about giving some credit to Kulick who made all the right adjustments. If that was the case, Mika, after the first match, sold a boat load of Pure Swings or whatever the name was. The condition was not about the ball but about the adjustment the bowlers made. Before we ordain the Mission as the ball of January 2010 let's give a little credit to the best bowler of the tourney. Congrats to Kelly for making the right adjustments. The show was great, she was great. The only thing that kinda turned me off was the cheesy "Mission Complete" ebonite promo at the end. I know Ebo is desperate to sell balls but come on. Let the lady enjoy her history making moment without having to make her add cheesy promos. The balls should sell themselves.
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SKIDSNAP · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:28:15 PM »

Tizzle - Their Brand Manager said it himself at his seminar and at Bowl Expo this year their Sales Manager's were using the VG as the comparison to the Evolve.

"Out Hook" is a subjective term so what ever you mean by that is what ever you want to believe.

And the loss of reaction issue is still prevalent with the Hopkinsville brands.

Although if you understand the Turbo 2N1 data ALL balls change reaction in some form.

You issues with the VG is well documented on this site and you seem to be rather alone regarding this issue. But I have to ask why would you go 5 deep if you are having "problems" with this ball.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:36:13 PM »

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Once again, the PBA sells another ball. LOL! Eventhough the ball looked good how about giving some credit to Kulick who made all the right adjustments. If that was the case, Mika, after the first match, sold a boat load of Pure Swings or whatever the name was. The condition was not about the ball but about the adjustment the bowlers made. Before we ordain the Mission as the ball of January 2010 let's give a little credit to the best bowler of the tourney. Congrats to Kelly for making the right adjustments. The show was great, she was great. The only thing that kinda turned me off was the cheesy "Mission Complete" ebonite promo at the end. I know Ebo is desperate to sell balls but come on. Let the lady enjoy her history making moment without having to make her add cheesy promos. The balls should sell themselves.
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I did not think it was cheesy at all. Remember when Walter years ago won a tourny with one of the Tude balls and proceeded to get on his post match interview and says "You have to have the right Attitude"? If we think that Ebonite put her up to that, not sure how bright we are. Kelly is a very smart girl and deserves everything happening to her right now.
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Balldoctor · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:49:27 PM »

I loved it. Red, Pearl, High End, Ebonite, what more could you ask for?
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Strokewiththelefthand · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:59:27 PM »

It was cheesy. But then Ebonites sales have been declining, why wouldn't you promo your own company. I didn't say ebonite put her up to it, I just said her promo was cheesy because she threw the ball. The ball doesn't make her look good. I'm just tired of guys getting brainwashed by watching the PBA and thinking that because the pros use it they need it. When will anyone see the TOC pattern on a regular basis to throw a mission. How many Missions did they drill for her before she found one that have her a good look. All I'm saying is the condition forced the players to make good shots and she did. The ball looked good because she threw it accurately. And when she didn't it make her look bad. As per, the 7-10 she theeq against Barnes. She threw the ball too hard the ball came behind the head pin and she left pocket 7-10. Give credit where its due instead of the equipment being used.
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I'm man enough to admit I stroke with the left hand and it feels good.

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Richmond, Va.

completebowler · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2010, 04:02:25 PM »

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Tizzle - Their Brand Manager said it himself at his seminar and at Bowl Expo this year their Sales Manager's were using the VG as the comparison to the Evolve.

"Out Hook" is a subjective term so what ever you mean by that is what ever you want to believe.

And the loss of reaction issue is still prevalent with the Hopkinsville brands.

Although if you understand the Turbo 2N1 data ALL balls change reaction in some form.

You issues with the VG is well documented on this site and you seem to be rather alone regarding this issue. But I have to ask why would you go 5 deep if you are having "problems" with this ball.

Well Skid my eyes are just fine. You mention that core shape is different from the T-Road to the Reign...so why don't you share with us all the difference in specs? It is a very subtle difference and considering it is widely accepted that coverstock accounts for around 70% of your reaction and core is around 10-15% how much difference do you expect to see?

The VG was very successful. The Gravity and Attitude are wonderful pieces. I think Storm offers great mid to low end products. I was not trying to bash them at all. All I said was the VE (2 parts pearl/1 part solid) played nearly exact to my Gravity. I could have simply tweaked the cover and had the exact same reaction.

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freak761 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2010, 04:18:44 PM »

Looks like Ebonite has a winner in the Mission and I hope it's a big seller for them. They need to find that Black Widow/Cell/Virtual Gravity kind of seller, maybe this is it.

tizzle · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2010, 04:19:56 PM »

I am not alone at all with the reduction in reaction the vg saw.. and the high oil absorption rate that caused it.. might want to look around at some of the old topics.. as that is probably the reason why you see so many up for sale. The VG had a great reaction to it though out of the box, so much so that I wanted to try different layouts and such. At the end of the night.. that ball, and the mutant cell are high maintenance bowling balls. I am not saying it totally dies, but a hot water bath after 30 games was a nuisance to say the least. My magic.. hot sauce pearl.. agent orange all had 150+ games on them when they were sold.. and with the exception of the magic.. none of them ever had anything extra done to them except clean after every set. I buy/sell equipment like its water... believe what you want my man! The only thing I was saying was that storm/roto is not dominating the tour like they were last year... and here comes the jock strap holders out of the wood work!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..Magical Action, a Nasty Spider, a very Sharp Noise, and a Spare Track.. how can I loose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)

completebowler · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2010, 04:20:39 PM »

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Tizzle - Their Brand Manager said it himself at his seminar and at Bowl Expo this year their Sales Manager's were using the VG as the comparison to the Evolve.

"Out Hook" is a subjective term so what ever you mean by that is what ever you want to believe.

And the loss of reaction issue is still prevalent with the Hopkinsville brands.

Although if you understand the Turbo 2N1 data ALL balls change reaction in some form.

You issues with the VG is well documented on this site and you seem to be rather alone regarding this issue. But I have to ask why would you go 5 deep if you are having "problems" with this ball.

Tizzle's experience with the VG is far from solitary. I have heard the same thing from over 30 sources. (reviews and in person) I seen it myself on my VG and am hearing it now with the Mutant (which I believe is R2X or a one off formulation)

Again....not trying to bash Storm/Roto. I simply call it as I see it. They have been at the top of the industry for a few years now and I think the Big 4 are about to go by them. I think this happens every few years because when your on top it is easy to get lazy and the competition below you is working hard to catch up/get better.

I throw everybody but Brunswick. I am by no means brand loyal. For the most part I throw Storm or Ebonite these days so again don't think I am simply trying to bash Storm....I just think the Big 4 are putting out better stuff in recent months.

The Invasion could change my mind on that but it didn't look super impressive to me when Mallot threw it a few weeks back.

Also just like you used to see nothing but Storm on t.v......nowadays it seems like Columbia/Track/Ebonite are showing up a ton.
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