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Motogp69

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Now the true test for the Mission
« on: February 27, 2010, 12:26:24 AM »
I'm sure this is what most people are concerned about with the Mission, and I'll relay my experience once I get to throw it again.

Well, the Mission has a 100 games on it, and it's lost about an arrows worth of hook and I threw it on the haus system for a resurface to get it back to box. Like I said, I get to throw it again on Sunday, so I'll let you know how Ebonite has addressed the longevity issue of their covers after I get to throw it again.

Although admittedly this ball is already a huge improvement as my last few Hopkinsville balls have only lasted 20-30 games even with anal retentive cleaning.
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Motogp69

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 09:19:08 AM »
Really? I had never heard that before. What constitutes to much? I clean everything after I'm done bowling. I usually use a deep cleaner like clean and dull once a month, and then once I reach the 100 and 200 game marks I put the ball on the Haus machine.

I also usually touch of the surface of the ball before I bowl. So say I'm using my 2000 Hy-Road so I always go over lightly by hand with a 2000 Abralon pad before I bowl.

None of my other balls have died. The only balls I've ever had break or quit on me are: Columbia Cuda/C cracked around the equator, Zone Black Ice the core cracked, Gamebreaker quit working after 20 games, Black Widow Pearl quit working after 30 games.

I've owned hundred of balls, and to only have 4 balls go bad is a testament to the quality control in our industry.
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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 09:31:10 AM »
sorry, but I think this is a FALSE statement..

I clean all my stuff after each use and have never had an issue with lost ball reaction..

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Cleaning them too much, is just as bad as not cleaning them at all.



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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 10:22:34 AM »
Well I have never had a ebonite ball die on me anyway, every last time a hot water bath brings them back to life.. so I don't expect the Mission to be any different. Guess I've just been lucky!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..A radiated C-System 3.5,an Invasion, a bright red Mission, a Motiv Qz1 Fire ball,and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....

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tizzle

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 03:31:48 PM »
Where are the facts to the claim that you can clean a ball too much?
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..A radiated C-System 3.5,an Invasion, a bright red Mission, a Motiv Qz1 Fire ball,and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)

tizzle

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 03:36:29 PM »
I have never heard of over hotwater bathing.. How can that be when its only putting the ball in hot water and a little cleaner? How could that kill a ball?
I guess anythings possible though!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..A radiated C-System 3.5,an Invasion, a bright red Mission, a Motiv Qz1 Fire ball,and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)

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tizzle

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 03:57:41 PM »
Yeah that would be a bit excessive.. i can see once every 30 games though as my invasion is a sponge. With only having 10 games on it, it took 3 baths to get the oil to stop coming out of it. But this was after using it on a very heavy condition (sport shot). A house shot may not be that bad though!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..A radiated C-System 3.5,an Invasion, a bright red Mission, a Motiv Qz1 Fire ball,and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 05:05:32 PM »
I wouldnt put anything in an oven or hot water bath until you see a noticeable decrease in reaction

a hot bath every 10 games seriously can not be good for the ball

I have stuff that is about 1 year old now and probably close to 200 games on them, that I have never given a hot water bath or revivor oven

I do clean my stuff with regular cleaner after each use and use clean and dull about 1 time a month on my stuff,
I never put stuff away even if after only a few shots without giving it quick spray and wipe

and I have not lost any reaction with any of the balls that I have

on my polished stuff once the polish starts to go away I just hit it with some clean and dull on the spinner, and add the polish back to it

I think some of you guys that are baking and hot water bathing your stuff every 10 games or so are over doing it a little

Spider Ball Bowler

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 05:20:59 PM »
I rarely clean any of my equipment.  I've never had a ball "die".  Maybe I'm just lucky.  However, and I don't know if this is just mental or what, but anytime I do clean my stuff, the next time I use it, it loses reaction.  I'm sure it's just mental, but no matter what ball I clean, seems to do the same thing.


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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2010, 07:37:34 PM »
I don't know if cleaning will kill the ball, but, I do have an opinion so I'll say it.  I am new to bowling and seen all the people saying they throw their ball and 40 games later it died.  I thought my regular ball, an ebonite magic action, had died, so I took it to my pro shop guy.  he looked it over and gave it back.  I was then told the most profound thing, he told me that when I bought the ball in the early fall, then it died at the begining of winter that it was just weather changing making my ball seem like it died.  Sure enough, I continued to use ebonite powerhouse and clean and dull every once and a while and sure enough, in the dead of winter it came back to life with a vengance.  now this last month the same thing happend, the ball seemed to lose reaction.  told the same thing and I believe the guy.  so I moved right, and will wait another couple of weeks for it to magically come back to life.  I'm not saying this is what is happening to everyone elses ball, but i just wonder "when" everyones balls are dying off.  just my 1/2 cent
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tizzle

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2010, 07:55:23 PM »
what.....
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..A radiated C-System 3.5,an Invasion, a bright red Mission, a Motiv Qz1 Fire ball,and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2010, 08:05:57 PM »
mistaking a dying ball for changing lane conditions due to weather, or i.e. humidity.  I am wondering how many people make this mistake.  I did, and am just sharing this idea, as i do not know how common this is to mistake.  where i live in wyoming, i get weather that varies greatly so a ball I bought in the fall, i though was dying, when it was oil staying longer on the lanes due to weather or humidity.  then in the dead of winter, or in wyoming less humidity, the ball reaction came back, not due to ball but to lane conditions.  this happened again recently as the weather warmed up and humidity came back, less reaction from the ball.  I just thought that maybe some people may mistake this seasonal phenomeon for ball death.  as i said, just my 1/2 cent whether right or wrong
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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2010, 11:50:58 PM »
Ebonite has tested the Mission with the hot water bath.  DO NOT use any cleaner in it.  Only use HOT WATER.  They indicated this in a seminar.  Let it soak for a 1/2 hour, then let it dry.  Do it again for another half hour, then let it dry.  The 3rd time you shouldn't see that much reaction in the water depending on how oil soaked the ball was.  they DO NOT recommend baking ANY ball.   What does hot temperature do?  Makes things BRITTLE!!

Motogp69

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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 07:18:01 AM »
Alright, well I'm happy to report that the ball has passed the test with flying colors, but I think next time I'm going to do the water bath method.

Threw it against a test ball the reaction was pretty much exactly the same. Only a board less of hook overall, but that could be more due to where I was bowling than the ball itself.
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Re: Now the true test for the Mission
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 08:39:01 AM »
Isn't it possible that over cleaning the ball, hot water, rejuvenator, oven, outside in the sun, whatever uses heat, removes some of the plasterziers (SP?) causing a ball to lose some of its longevity/reaction permenately?




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