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FrontTwelv

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No Mercy woes...
« on: December 02, 2008, 12:38:27 PM »
my specs...
5 1/8 over, 1/8 up axis; medium to high rev rate, ~16mph ball speed.

drilled this piece with the #3 drilling (medium arc).  the pin is right over ring finger and the hart is just right of thumb hole.  the ball so so straight, straighter than my Big Hit.  the weird thing is, the flairing of the ball doesn't migrate left with each ring, it bowties around the thumbhole and migrates over the finger holes.  what gives?
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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 08:51:45 PM »
Isn't the Heart supposed to be on your track side?  Or am I thinking of the Beat'n only?
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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 09:09:30 PM »

You are correct CBB. The HART placed right of thumb would be (depending on your PAP of course) somwhat like a 40* layout on a normal mass bias ball.

Drilling the No mercy is somewhat of a mystical adventure.

I just got my third one last week and it's been great! The first two did not perform that well, and it's all because the MB was only about 1" to 1.75" left of thumb. The ball works best when the HART is placed in the second flare ring.... for me, about 2.5" left of thumb.
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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 09:36:18 AM »
The actual MB on the NO MERCY is something like 6 3/4" right of the HART for a right hander and opposite for a left hander.
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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 10:20:11 AM »
the hart is the intermediate mass bias,measure 6-3/4" right of the heart and thats the mass bias.they used the inter.M.B. to off set the High M.B. so you could drill the ball strong and keep the C.G.with in 1"of grip center and not need a X hole.this was to show USBC they could easily set up a strong ball with a strong lay out and still comply with the proposed rule of c.g. in center and no use of an X hole.
the No Mercy was a great ball but confuseing to alot and that became the end of that.
FT,are you a lefty or do you like the M.B past your val?if your a righty then the ball is probably not going to back end much,and I have no idea how to drill up a NoMercy for a lefty.
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FrontTwelv

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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 10:53:24 AM »
righty...
now this is a layout that a tour guy I regularly speak with gave to me.  This is no means a standard drill and I realize it.  I understand the hart should be as left as possible and the MB is around 6 3/4" right of hart position.  I just would like to know why the track backs up, not a discussion of how i drilled it incorrectly.

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J_w73

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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 01:12:37 PM »
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righty  now this is a layout that a tour guy i regularly speak with gave to me (not saying any names) but it wasn't layed out with standard specs.  I understand the hart should be as left as possible and the MB is around 6 3/4" right of hard position.  I just would liek to know why the track backs up, not a discussion of how i drilled it incorrectly.
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if you have a pic it might be easier to see exactly what is going on..
but the way you have described it.. the actual mass bias is probably beyond your val and above your pap.  If this is the case .. it would make sense why the ball is backing up.. the MB or Preferred spin axis is 180 deg from a normal layout in relation to the pap. Again pictures would be more helpful

did the guy give you this layout specifically for the No Mercy or just for a typical Asymmetrical ball.. of which the no isn't.
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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 03:19:51 PM »
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righty  now this is a layout that a tour guy i regularly speak with gave to me (not saying any names) but it wasn't layed out with standard specs.  I understand the hart should be as left as possible and the MB is around 6 3/4" right of hard position.  I just would liek to know why the track backs up, not a discussion of how i drilled it incorrectly.
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if you have a pic it might be easier to see exactly what is going on..
but the way you have described it.. the actual mass bias is probably beyond your val and above your pap.  If this is the case .. it would make sense why the ball is backing up.. the MB or Preferred spin axis is 180 deg from a normal layout in relation to the pap. Again pictures would be more helpful

did the guy give you this layout specifically for the No Mercy or just for a typical Asymmetrical ball.. of which the no isn't.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did you mean,  did the driller READ the drill sheet for this ball before he drilled it for you.  Or did he attend a seminar?

You do know that " real ball drillers never have to read drill sheets"
Yes, that is true,  some coal miners from Pa. told me that once. "real ball drillers don't have to read the drill sheets"
Idiots!!!!!
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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 03:35:54 PM »
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righty  now this is a layout that a tour guy i regularly speak with gave to me (not saying any names) but it wasn't layed out with standard specs.  I understand the hart should be as left as possible and the MB is around 6 3/4" right of hard position.  I just would liek to know why the track backs up, not a discussion of how i drilled it incorrectly.
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Drew Jordan
Columbus, OH
Ebonite | Brunswick


if you have a pic it might be easier to see exactly what is going on..
but the way you have described it.. the actual mass bias is probably beyond your val and above your pap.  If this is the case .. it would make sense why the ball is backing up.. the MB or Preferred spin axis is 180 deg from a normal layout in relation to the pap. Again pictures would be more helpful

did the guy give you this layout specifically for the No Mercy or just for a typical Asymmetrical ball.. of which the no isn't.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did you mean,  did the driller READ the drill sheet for this ball before he drilled it for you.  Or did he attend a seminar?

You do know that " real ball drillers never have to read drill sheets"
Yes, that is true,  some coal miners from Pa. told me that once. "real ball drillers don't have to read the drill sheets"
Idiots!!!!!
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jls



haha.. they do when a company tries to deliver a new ball with a "kind of" revolutionary new idea and then the company looks like they put out shi**y balls cause some people can't see the huge red stop sign on top of the box.. and the bright flier in the box .. and the drill sheet that all say that the ball is not like normal balls..
Hammer should be pissed.. they put in a ton of time and money developing the ball. and then new manufacturing processes to produce and place the core... and they got nothing but a raw deal out of it.. good thing for the widow line
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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2008, 04:30:29 PM »
Hammer/Ebonite did a ton of work to prove to usbc that they can engineer a ball that would get around the proposed c.g./x hole rule and came up with a great ball that half the bowling world just could not grip.

as for Front Twelv....sounds like you have the strong MassBias placed past your val, that should throw your track off....Huh?
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J_w73

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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 04:55:39 PM »
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Hammer/Ebonite did a ton of work to prove to usbc that they can engineer a ball that would get around the proposed c.g./x hole rule and came up with a great ball that half the bowling world just could not grip.

as for Front Twelv....sounds like you have the strong MassBias placed past your val, that should throw your track off....Huh?
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My no mercy beat'n was was drilled correctly in terms of the HART but the pin was 2 1/4 inches from the PAP.. so the ball didn't do anything but rev early and go straight. I was to get another no mercy series ball and drill it correctly..
Which is the one to go with .. original, beat'n or whup'n/hazzard..

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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2008, 05:13:05 PM »
I only had a few originals,so that would be my pic.I had one with the pin 4"from pap and the hart left of thumb by 1/2" and it was just a hard smooth roll with not much backend but was a good ball for long flat heavy patterns.I punched up another with 4 1/2"pin to pap and the hart in the 3-4 track ring area and it was a very strong mid lane hook with a big backend but still had a hard time with drying heads @ 4000 abralon.I was going to try another with a 5-51/2" pin and the hart in the track area but I moved on to other stuff instead.
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J_w73

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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 05:32:13 PM »
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I only had a few originals,so that would be my pic.I had one with the pin 4"from pap and the hart left of thumb by 1/2" and it was just a hard smooth roll with not much backend but was a good ball for long flat heavy patterns.I punched up another with 4 1/2"pin to pap and the hart in the 3-4 track ring area and it was a very strong mid lane hook with a big backend but still had a hard time with drying heads @ 4000 abralon.I was going to try another with a 5-51/2" pin and the hart in the track area but I moved on to other stuff instead.
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so would you say the ball worked better with the hart in the 3rd or 4th flare ring vs the 1st one? .. I guess that would put the actual mb angle around maybe 50 to 60 deg.. vs 25 to 30.. (just a guess)
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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 06:01:53 PM »
yes,3-4 ring area is golden!http://www.putfile.com/pic/4207157
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J_w73

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Re: No Mercy woes...
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2008, 06:09:10 PM »
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yes,3-4 ring area is golden!http://www.putfile.com/pic/4207157
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no weight hole needed..
what would the ball do if you moved the pin up higher and to the right.. closer to the val.. keeping the pin to pap the same distance..
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