Author Topic: BuzzBOMB Guarantee (Read 9526 times)

Mr Buzzsaw · « **on:** March 03, 2008, 02:38:35 AM »

It has been brought to my attention that some customers have not been happy with the new BuzzBOMB drilled label 1:30. This layout works better for shorter pins, higher tracks, and shorter oil (because this layout goes longer).

I also understand that our drill sheet says this is a 9 backend, which is why some bowlers may not be happy with the result they're getting. Balls that go longer give you more backend, but if the ball goes too long, you won't realize the hook. Maybe I shouldn't have stated such a high backend rating for this layout?

I don't want customers to be dis-satisfied with our product, especially because of an improper layout. So if...

1)Deleon
2)Nicanor
3)the-7-year-itch
4)AK47
5)SprayNpray
6)nowski1381
7)SpecVspeeD03

would have you or your pro shop/driller call us for an RA(return authorization), then send their balls in to our home office listed on our website, we will gladly send you a new one to be drilled differently.

Our tech dept. will discuss the issue with your or your driller to help get you the reaction you're looking for. We look forward to resolving your ball reaction issues and will do the best we can.

absoluteisanidiot · « **Reply #31 on:** March 04, 2008, 07:31:08 AM »

The BuzzBomb comes in #13 and I heard they are making some #12's.

triggerman · « **Reply #32 on:** March 04, 2008, 07:55:04 AM »

yeah they made some 12# balls the evo and nebula and hrg most recently came in 13, the core s way to big on the BB I think for a 12 # ball
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Steven · « **Reply #33 on:** March 04, 2008, 10:06:12 AM »

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A bought a FP from Nick that was replaced because I was not happy with the reaction from the ball. Turned out to be a cover issue and it was replaced with the twisted fury

Inverted: I'd agree that you got good customer service on your FP replacement. But there is a fundamental difference between addressing a defect in the area of a 'cover issue', and Lane#1 replacing a ball because the customer decided to go with the wrong layout.

It's yet to be determined that any of BuzzBOMBs being complained about are defective. And I'll go out on a limb and guess they probably aren't. With due respect to the posters having problems, there probably wasn't enough care and thought put into laying the balls out.

There have been too many positive reviews from credible proshop testers to consider the BB to be a condition specific 'dud':

AverageJoesProShop.com -- "We were so impressed with this ball we decided to do two videos to show its versatility".

allstarbowling.com (Joe) -- "Definitely gets into a heavy mid lane read and follows with a strong, aggressive move to the pocket".

BuddiesProShop.com (Tim) -- "Well, the teaser-ad in various magazines made very bold claims regarding the BuzzBOMB.....All the claims from the ad were confirmed when I threw this ball. This is definitely the most hook of any Buzzsaw I've thrown.....This ball was truly fun to throw".

I've been equally impressed with mine so far. I didn't think it was possible for a reactive ball to be more aggressive than the SCB, but the BuzzBOMB is.

The bottom line is that the more aggressive a ball, the more work has to be put into laying it out based on revs, speed, conditions, etc. In addressing these issues, Lane#1 is taking customer service for this farther than any other company I've dealt with.
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Rockbowler · « **Reply #34 on:** March 04, 2008, 11:30:00 AM »

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It's yet to be determined that any of BuzzBOMBs being complained about are defective. And I'll go out on a limb and guess they probably aren't. With due respect to the posters having problems, there probably wasn't enough care and thought put into laying the balls out.

There have been too many positive reviews from credible proshop testers to consider the BB to be a condition specific 'dud':

How much care and thought is needed? Some people drilled the ball label which is usually safe for Lane 1 or at least, there has not been a lot of complaints about a Lane 1 ball drilled label.

Although there are positive reviews, Nicanor did surface tweaks and played different lines and the ball did not work. Other bowlers had the same experience. You cannot take away a personal experience of a bowler with a Buzzbomb, if he says it did not work, then it did not.

Is the Buzzbomb a dud? Mine is not and yours may not be but there is such a thing as a bad batch. Richie also said that he should probably not have specified that the label drill on a Buzzbomb has an expected backend of 9. And it is a credit to Richie that he gives a guarantee that a ball drilled label (that did not work for the bowler) will be replaced by Lane 1. Kudos to them.

OddBalls · « **Reply #35 on:** March 04, 2008, 11:57:53 AM »

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It's yet to be determined that any of BuzzBOMBs being complained about are defective. And I'll go out on a limb and guess they probably aren't. With due respect to the posters having problems, there probably wasn't enough care and thought put into laying the balls out.

Two things:
First, I was just pointing out that I received great customer service from Nick over a ball that I was not happy with. Whether or not it was a cover issue is not material to the post. The point being that I was taken care of.

I'll go out on a limb and say it MAY WELL be a cover issue in which case a batch of them was released to the public WITHOUT anyones knowledge.

Layout issue? Pretty much a standard layout from the pictures that I've seen on the ones that were having an issue (I don't buy into the fact that a cg will have that MUCH influence on a balls reaction).

As far as condition specific? I'm just going by the reviews I've seen on the ball which pretty much states it's meant for heavier volumes of oil. You know what happens when the wrong ball meets the wrong condition.

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Steven · « **Reply #36 on:** March 04, 2008, 12:09:02 PM »

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How much care and thought is needed? Some people drilled the ball label which is usually safe for Lane 1 or at least, there has not been a lot of complaints about a Lane 1 ball drilled label.

How much care? I would think a lot. The BuzzBOMB is not a skip/flip pearl that masks a lot of bowler errors. This is an aggressive heavy oil ball. It needs to be set up (based on the attributes of an individual bowler) with that in mind.

quote:

Although there are positive reviews, Nicanor did surface tweaks and played different lines and the ball did not work. Other bowlers had the same experience. You cannot take away a personal experience of a bowler with a Buzzbomb, if he says it did not work, then it did not.

Agreed. But remember there is a difference between a ball not working because it generally falls short of advertised performance capabilities, and a bowler not setting it up correctly to realize potential. They both result in a conclusion that the 'ball does not work', but clearly for different reasons.

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Is the Buzzbomb a dud? Mine is not and yours may not be but there is such a thing as a bad batch. Richie also said that he should probably not have specified that the label drill on a Buzzbomb has an expected backend of 9.

A 'Bad Batch' is always possible, but it doesn't happen often. Regardless, Lane#1 will study the returned balls to see if there something going on there. As far as the label drill, it's certainly not a pattern I would consider for this ball, but one poster reportedly really liked his and threw a 300 with it, so who knows? Layouts are a very personal thing, so I think it's dangerous to absolutely say any one pattern is a dud. Anyway, drill sheets are general recommendations and you have to evaluate them in the context of your own style and ability.
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Steven · « **Reply #37 on:** March 04, 2008, 12:34:26 PM »

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First, I was just pointing out that I received great customer service from Nick over a ball that I was not happy with.

It's good to hear Nick provides great customer service. I don't always agree with him, but I have heard great things about him as a driller, so I don't doubt he'd do what he can to fix an issue.

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Whether or not it was a cover issue is not material to the post.

Well, you specifically stated it was because of a cover issue (i.e. defect). And that's material because there is a difference between getting a ball replaced due to a defect and getting a ball replaced because the layout is not optimal. Not to take away from what Nick did for you, but there is a difference.

quote:
Layout issue? Pretty much a standard layout from the pictures that I've seen on the ones that were having an issue (I don't buy into the fact that a cg will have that MUCH influence on a balls reaction).

We've beaten the CGNOMADDAH thing to death, but with a required balance hole, a 'cg out' drill can react much different than a 'cg in' drill, given the same pin placement. I have two Uraniums set up with this difference, and there are very different reactions.

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OddBalls · « **Reply #38 on:** March 04, 2008, 12:38:01 PM »

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We've beaten the CGNOMADDAH thing to death, but with a required balance hole, a 'cg out' drill can react much different than a 'cg in' drill, given the same pin placement. I have two Uraniums set up with this difference, and there are very different reactions.

But they still do react, which is my point. The placement of the cg is not enough to kill the reaction of the ball.

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T-GOD · « **Reply #39 on:** March 04, 2008, 02:34:51 PM »

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The placement of the cg is not enough to kill the reaction of the ball.

When you're talking about symmetrical cores, the so called mass-bias is 6 3/4" from the pin, through the CG in that direction. So when placing the CG in a certain position, you're actually placing the MB in specific positions. This gives you specific core angles, just like using the pin and MB placements to your PAP.

Now if you're talking about ending CG, that's a whole nother discussion. =:^D

BrunsNick · « **Reply #40 on:** March 04, 2008, 03:08:21 PM »

Oh lord... there is no measurable mass bias, that is why it isn't MARKED!!!
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #41 on:** March 04, 2008, 03:12:31 PM »

Yes Nick, but they will roll different.
I can put the pin next to the ring on two identcal balls...one with the CG on the PAP, and the other with the CG in the grip center. I actually did this when I had two of the Solid Uraniums. The CG axis ball will roll sooner. I believe it is due to the tilting of the core in one direction vs the other...not a static weight issue. The only thing that skews my experiment is the weight hole. The Label 1:30 ball has no x-hole, the CG axis ball has a crater on the axis. I did not think to throw them side by side before adding the x-hole. Conclusion?
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BrunsNick · « **Reply #42 on:** March 04, 2008, 03:13:26 PM »

Yes, they would roll different because you would need a crater type X-hole to make one legal.
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #43 on:** March 04, 2008, 03:16:58 PM »

You replied as I was editing

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BrunsNick · « **Reply #44 on:** March 04, 2008, 03:23:01 PM »

See my CGNOMADDAH video for reference.

The X-Hole can enhance the differential of a bowling ball, creating an earlier rolling ball. USBC Tests showed that shifting the CG 90 degrees showed no measureable difference in ending differential or mass bias differential on a symmetrical core ball.
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #45 on:** March 04, 2008, 05:42:44 PM »

Again...yet another reason why I have always been a firm supporter of Lane 1. Yes I did waver for a week or so not that long ago but I still stand behind their customer service....

Kudos to Richie and the entire gang in Syracuse!!!
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