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charlest

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Straight Flush so far ...
« on: September 04, 2006, 11:20:32 AM »
I got mine about 3 weeks ago. I drilled it like I would any pancake cored ball these days: roughly 3/4 ounce side and 3/4 ounce finger. Top weight started at 3 1/4; since thumb and finger insert holes, for me, remove about 2 - 2 1/4 ounce, my final top should be around 1 ounce.

I tried it in my SUmmer league, after drying things out a bit; since they start with true medium and only go down to meidum-light after league's end, it never did more than wrinkle there. Totally unusable except as a spare ball. As a reference, my Dyno-Thane Barrage and my Brunswick Slay/R hooked more. SLay/R more than Barrage more than St. Flush. Slay/R is usable but not good on this condition AND it is my spare ball.

Yesterday, Sunday, I practiced with a friend up North and the lanes were dry enough on Sunday afternoon (big surprise, right? ) to get a good feel for the Straight Flush.

I wasn't totally familair with the oil pattern in this house, but it is a very easy house blend shot, normally. One can use many balls for relatively simialr reaction. My friend used balls like a solid particle Diesel to a lightly sanded Rampage to get a simialr ball path. I played inside with a polished solid resin PK 18 ball and outside with the Slay/R (12 at arrows out to 8 at breakpoint).

Anyway, around 9 - 10 board, was the oil area (there was no more "oil line"; too many games). 5 board was definitely dry. I could go straight up 10 board with the SF with decent speed (16/17 at the foul line). When I tried to "hit" the ball with a little extra zing, I played 10 out to 6. However, if I pulled the ball inside, say hitting inside of 10 at the arrows and not swinging it outside, No matter how hard I revved the ball, it moved no more than 2-3 boards and left either the 2 pin or the bucket (2/4/5/8).

Hitting power is good/average, by resin standards. Nothing special but certainly better than urethane. (That reminds me, since moving up to 16 lb I no longer have the Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle to compare it to. That would be an interesting, VERY interesting comparison.) The idea, in any case, on very dry lanes is to get to the pocket. Anything else is gravy.

This ball is probbaly the least hooking resin ball I have used in the last 10 years. It needs dry and LOTS of it before it makes its move.

Generally length was about 35 feet no more, before it started to hook. A VERY controlled hook, of course. That is very like pancake cores.  If you have more ball speed than I and/or more revs, your mileage may vary.

I was worried about this ball (coverstock: Evolution Reactive), given that it's supposed to have the Buzz's coverstock (Evolution Pearl). From many reports that ball has a huge backend.

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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 07:39:50 PM »
Sounds kinda like an RG Mercury <OOB> or maybe a Vis. Blue/Green Centaur <1500 smooth grit Storm Step #2>.  Both of these for me have the same characteristics you point out Jeff.  

With the Mercury I am playing the dry where no one else can play sounds like the SF may allow you to do this without burning up.
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 07:56:47 PM »
I have the original Sonic-X pearl and the Mercury is stronger than the Sonic. The ST Flush is so far weaker; until you try it you won't believe it. The Sonic was stronger than my Barrage which is stronger than the SF. (Not huge differences until you get to the SF!)

I wonder if I'll see enough oil to ever use it.
 

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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2006, 08:23:31 PM »
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I have the original Sonic-X pearl and the Mercury is stronger than the Sonic.  


For me, I don't find that to be true Jeff.  I have a Sonic X pearl <OOB drilled pin above bridge CG in grip center>.  Mercury <OOB and drilled pin slightly left above ring and CG kicked 1/2" out of grip center>

The Sonic X is slightly longer and stronger on back end.  The Mercury is smoother not as long and not as strong on the back end.  

On THS in 5 man league in 3rd game where dry outside of 7 I can normally play the dry 10 to 7 with no burn and reasonable carry.  No one except the fluffers can play there.  Don't have to lay off release either.
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2006, 08:32:08 PM »
The Mercury's smoother core does change the ball path. Reacting later with a stronger backend may or may not be beneficial. won't argue that.

In any case, both are a lot stronger than the SF.
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2006, 08:35:45 PM »
You'll be throwing from the corner Jeff.  
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2006, 10:10:57 PM »
Charlest,
 Maybe it's simply the layout,the release, or the path to the pocket that you're using (or a combination of those three); Galen recommended a layout for me (in my profile and in my review of the Str Flush), and as long as I stayed behind the ball, it cleared the heads and mids with ease and had plenty of torque on the backends to kick out the corners and NO deflection after entering the pin deck. I HAVE noticed that if I try to rotate my hand around the ball at the release that I get too much read on the lane too early and that seems to negate the power to carry on the backends. Also, if you check out the "ball path" on the web site and in the '06 Ball Catalog, this ball really shines if you're able to "square up" or come "off of the corner"; since you have frequently stated that the lanes in your area can be dry and demanding, I'm feel confident that you'll "discover" the power of this ball ... again, maybe it's the layout that you selected for it.
 I don't claim to have even a small percentage or your experience, knowledge, or expertise; but mine does what it's supposed to do and I feel what it was designed to do. Good luck with it ... "stay stubborn" !!!
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2006, 08:40:31 AM »
Robb,

Don't forget that yours is drilled old fashioned leverage. That will probably help with some continuation and drive in the backend. Mine is drilled with CG manipulation around the grip center. Also I no longer bowl in the same center as I did during this past season. The place was not only dry it was very badly cared for. I will no longer be bowlign at that place.

The SF is for really dry lanes, an arsenal balls, in my eyes. I would probably only bring it for tournaments or when I get stuck bowlign late shifts on tournaments.

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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2006, 09:01:12 AM »
Yup ... an arsenal ball, for sure (good for "ball junkies" !!!); so, BTW, I was sorta correct about your layout then ???
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2006, 09:11:46 AM »
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Yup ... an arsenal ball, for sure (good for "ball junkies" !!!); so, BTW, I was sorta correct about your layout then ???
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Yes.

You also wrote above,
"but mine does what it's supposed to do and I feel what it was designed to do."

The ball was designed for the very, very dry. Drilling it leverage, like yours, would have been counter to what I felt the ball was designed to do.

Now, my question is, "Is the Buzz really just one step above the Striaght Flush"?

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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2006, 09:16:01 AM »
Aw h*ll no, Jeff; the Buzz is a "typical" reactive pearl. long and a hard kick off the dry.
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2006, 03:16:38 PM »
This sounds alot like a Storm Red Hot Flame to me.  Why is it still like $114 online?  Ah...nevermind.
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2006, 05:18:36 PM »
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This sounds alot like a Storm Red Hot Flame to me.  Why is it still like $114 online?  Ah...nevermind.
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Nope, had one. The Red Hot Flame and the Blue Hot hook more . They had a more dynamic core.

I understand their assembly line could not handle a pancake core and the ball needed special hanlding. It actually cost more to make than their dynamic cored balls.

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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2006, 05:20:03 PM »
As usual, "charlest" IS correct !!!
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Re: Straight Flush so far ...
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2006, 07:48:23 AM »