Author Topic: WCP what surface? (Read 3401 times)

shipper50 · « **on:** January 30, 2007, 01:35:32 AM »

I bought a used WCP and had it drilled label. Could someone tell me what out of box surface they come with? I was shocked it wouldn't turn on the THS I was on last night.

Thanks
Shipper

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2007, 09:44:39 AM »

800 Grit Gray Scotch Brite Pad.....I think

Charlest or Robb can tell you for sure though.

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shelley · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2007, 09:48:52 AM »

I believe the "sheen" finish is done by polishing them, then using a grey or white pad to just knock a little of the shine off. Don't remove the polish altogether, just a little of the glossiness.

SH

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2007, 10:17:36 AM »

They are INTENSELY polished with their High Gloss Factory Finish polish; then they take a light grey 800 grit pad to them, BUT you can always see that high gloss polish thru the 800 grit sanding lines; so it is not as if you can achieve the same finish by simply using the 800 grit nylon pad.

Basically if you need more surface than the stock ball has, that is the first thing you do: a thorough sanding with the 800 grit nylon pad to remove all signs of the underlying polish.
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shipper50 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2007, 12:37:58 PM »

Thanks for the replies. I was going to just PM charlest, but thought since this was my first non-Track ball I would try here.

Thanks
Shipper

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2007, 02:47:02 PM »

Shipper,
With that early-revving core and aggressive cover, that ball can bleed of so much energy before the pocket that you think that it has no hook/backend; IMHO, if the pin and cg are too low and not matching up to your style and style, you could think that ...
The Sheen finish for that ball is roughly established up from:
- wet maroon scotchbrite pad,
- wet gray scotchbrite pad'
- Factory Finish polish (heat it up and burn it in),
800 grit wet/sand and then,
- 800 gray pad again.
The sand/polish combo, per Legends, "hits" both the resin and the particles.

This may help as well; check out the Technical section ... the updated web site is great !!!

http://www.lanemastersbowling.com/index.html

Galen is a GREAT guy to chat with about this stuff ... good luck !!!
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Edited on 1/30/2007 3:50 PM

shipper50 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2007, 03:53:03 PM »

quote:
Shipper,
With that early-revving core and aggressive cover, that ball can bleed of so much energy before the pocket that you think that it has no hook/backend; IMHO, if the pin and cg are too low and not matching up to your style and style, you could think that ...
The Sheen finish for that ball is roughly established up from:
- wet maroon scotchbrite pad,
- wet gray scotchbrite pad'
- Factory Finish polish (heat it up and burn it in),
800 grit wet/sand and then,
- 800 gray pad again.
The sand/polish combo, per Legends, "hits" both the resin and the particles.

This may help as well; check out the Technical section ... the updated web site is great !!!

http://www.lanemastersbowling.com/index.html

Galen is a GREAT guy to chat with about this stuff ... good luck !!!
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**** Official "L/LM ball junkie" ****
Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)

Edited on 1/30/2007 3:50 PM

Robb,

I couldn't even get the ball to the hole. I did use my NS drilled 4.5 by 4.5 and with just a touch of Legends polish the ball did OK until the end of the 2nd game. I cant get the Lanemasters site to load with my dial up. I guess they dont want us low end internet users to use their site.

Also, with your advice I wrote Galen at Lanemasters and he took 12 days to get back to me. I had already drilled the NIB NS. You said he was busy, but I guess he was REALLY busy.

I need an oil ball that I can hook, any advice on the Terminator? I have a Robo and sometimes I just cant get the ball to roll up until the shot has broken down some.

Thanks
Shipper

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2007, 03:54:03 PM »

Shipper,
I just got off the phone with him ... call him now.
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**** Official "L/LM ball junkie" ****
Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2007, 03:56:06 PM »

Shipper,
The Terminator WILL hook ... OOB or stronger with the polish off; the Balc Pearl is a particle pearl and has a great back, same core as the NS. Good layouts and surface prep will get these balls to hook on ice !!! (j/k)
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**** Official "L/LM ball junkie" ****
Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2007, 04:04:40 PM »

Shipper,

If you needed a little polish on the NS to handle the pattern/condition, you're going to need a whole sh*tload of polish on a WC particle to hook on that same condition. That core and that cover needs a freaking flood to hook and then it's early.

And if the NS with polish is good only until the 2nd game, then the others, Black Pearl, Terminator and WC will be far, far too aggressive and early.

I think you need one of the polished solids or pearls: Big-R-Bang, World Class Reactive or even the Buzz. In fact I'd be inclined to go with the Buzz.

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shipper50 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2007, 04:17:29 PM »

quote:
Shipper,

If you needed a little polish on the NS to handle the pattern/condition, you're going to need a whole sh*tload of polish on a WC particle to hook on that same condition. That core and that cover needs a freaking flood to hook and then it's early.

And if the NS with polish is good only until the 2nd game, then the others, Black Pearl, Terminator and WC will be far, far too aggressive and early.

I think you need one of the polished solids or pearls: Big-R-Bang, World Class Reactive or even the Buzz. In fact I'd be inclined to go with the Buzz.

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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

charlest,

The only reason I put a touch of polish on the NS was I had used it on synthetics and found the ball didnt react the way I wanted. So I tried it at the wood house I bowl at on Mondays and still had to stand 19 and point the ball around 9 to the hole. I tried the WCP in shadows and the ball skated.

I will try the grey pad on the WCP and see if that makes a difference. I am not a big cranker, but I do put fingers in the ball. Just seems with today's stuff I have trouble with oil as when I was younger there wasn't enough oil.

Shipper

shipper50 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2007, 06:34:53 AM »

I took a used gray pad to the WCP and it rolled like most balls I have with label drilling. My personal opinion is it doest hit or carry any better than my Equation that has a label drilling and I had to put Delayed Reaction on it to tame down the back ends.

Am I looking for something out of this ball that isn't there? Is it possible that Legends doesn't match up to my game as well as Track seems to? I dont look for a magic ball by any means.

Will the Terminator work for me on heavy. If anyone has one and has ever thrown a Robo Rule compare them for me if you please.

Thanks
Shipper

LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2007, 07:29:59 AM »

Terminator outhooks the robo rule in the heavy stuff. I have both. I am selling the robo rule if you are interested. It is still a good ball for heavy oil though. its just when it is real slick it is more of a down and in ball.
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WSUstroker · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2007, 07:45:01 AM »

Shipper, if you are finding yourself having to put Delayed Reaction on your Equation to get it react properly for you, I would be inclined to say that the WCP is far too strong for the condition you are bowling on. A strong rolling particle coverstock ball with a dull 800 grit surface is leaps and bounds stronger than the Equation. I would venture to say the the ball is just too strong for what you are bowling on now. I'd say wait until you find some oil to put a judgement on this ball.
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charlest · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2007, 08:03:13 AM »

quote:
I took a used gray pad to the WCP and it rolled like most balls I have with label drilling. My personal opinion is it doest hit or carry any better than my Equation that has a label drilling and I had to put Delayed Reaction on it to tame down the back ends.

Am I looking for something out of this ball that isn't there? Is it possible that Legends doesn't match up to my game as well as Track seems to? I dont look for a magic ball by any means.
Thanks
Shipper

Yes, on lanes where you can use the World Class Particle, you cnanot even bring an Equation into the building. Small wonder you're having problems.

The WCP is for heavy oil; the Equation is for medium oil AT BEST. You'd have to drill the WCP with a 6" pin, sand it SUPER FINE to 4000 grit and then put a SUPER high gloss polish on it before even considering using the WCP on the same oil pattern as an Equation. Even then it might not work.

The WCP is burning up in the heads and dying in the midlane IF you're even getting the Equation to make the turn and hit the pocket.

In my opinion, these are not even goto or complementary balls, in that once you can use the WCP then you can begin using the Equation. You'd need another ball between them.

You're not even comparing apples to oranges; it's more like grapes to watermelons.

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