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Gene J Kanak

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11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« on: October 07, 2014, 11:32:40 AM »
That was my story last night. I left 11 10-pins over the course of my three game set, shooting 213, 218, and 200 with the trio of my Sync, IQ Tour Fusion (1-2 shots), and Lucid.

The glass-is-half-full side is that I converted 10 out of those 11 10-pins, which I will take any day of the week. The half-empty side was that I misplayed the lanes badly enough to leave that many in the first place.

I had been averaging about 240 a game with the Sync up to that point; however, I think the combination of the cooler outside conditions and the bowlers on our pair last night caused my matchup problems. Plus, my release wasn't as clean as it needs to be. As such, of the 11 10-pins, only 4-5 were ringing; I could easily see the others coming.

In any case, the moral of the story is twofold. First, make your spares! If I would've struggled converting those 10-pins, my low 630 set could've easily been 550. Second, watch your ball all the way through the pin deck and don't be stubborn. If you leave one or two corner pins here or there, maybe it's a fluke. When you leave as many as I did last night, it's not "getting ripped off." It's not getting your ball to read the lane and go through the pins properly. That's on me, and I should've made better adjustments.

Just some random Tuesday morning food for thought. Good luck and good bowling to all!

 

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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 12:17:56 PM »
I've heard that term a lot since I've returned to bowling : going through the pins properly. I understand its meaning, and I can actually visualize it as I'm typing this response. Back in the day, though, you'd simply chalk it up as pins simply weren't falling for the bowler.

But hey, I commend you on converting on more than 90 percent of your 10-pins. That's almost as good as having a clean sheet, no misses for your set.
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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2014, 12:28:27 PM »
Good reads.  8)

It can't be wrong to tell oneself, "I couldn't have thrown it better", and accept with grace what remains left standing on the pin deck.

... and then there's that little guy proclaiming "I'd rather be lucky than good". LOL I have mixed feelings about that saying  :P
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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2014, 12:41:37 PM »
Well, it depends upon when that statement is uttered. If everything (300-800, tourney title, etc.) is riding on a single shot, while I'd like to throw a great shot, I'll be more than happy to live with myself if a good break gets me what I want. Still, all things being equal, I'd like to pure the shot AND get the result I'm looking for.

We all just need to realize that there is almost always a clear reason why we leave what we do. If you drill the pocket and leave a 7-10, it means your ball probably came back a little too late, causing it to come in slightly behind the head pin, which thus impacts the deflection into the 7 and 10 pins. Sure, the ball technically got to the pocket, but it didn't get there at the right time and with the right angle to carry. Sure, sometimes we get away with those shots, but it's not quite the unbelievably bad break some people make it out to be when both pins end up standing. That's also the case with solid 8-pins. People always used to say that it's the only true tap in bowling. These days, solid 8's are very easy to leave, especially when you're playing deep angles. Sure, the ball comes up and gets flush into the pocket, but it doesn't have the continuation to get through the deck to the 8-pin. If you watch the ball leave the pin deck on those hits, you'll see that it goes straight back or just slightly in the direction of the 9-pin. Is it still a pretty good shot? Sure it is, but it's not terrible luck - or terribly hard to understand.

Again, I just posted about this as a reminder that we all need to take a look at where and how our bowling balls are moving on the lane and leaving the pin deck. The information you gain from doing so will help you understand what you are leaving and why. There are times when everything looks good, but you still end up leaving something behind. That's what happens when two round objects collide; however, more often than not, you should have a pretty good idea why you left what you left. It's not bad luck; it's bad ball motion-matchup at that point in time.

Spencer,

You're exactly right. Last night wasn't the most fun evening of bowling I've ever had, but I was very pleased with my spare shooting. If I can make nine out of every ten 10-pins I shoot, I will be quite happy!

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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2014, 01:11:33 PM »
Nicely said Gene.

It's like take a magnifying glass to small print that you can already read without the visual enhancement.

HAS ANBYDOY RAED AYNHNTIG LKIE TIHS VIA FCABOEOK OR OHTER SOAICL MDIEA WEBSTIES TAHT IMLPY THE PWOER OF THE HMUAN BRAIN?

If deciphering the above is like hitting the pocket, then grammatically wording the disoriented message is like getting into the pocket in THAT certain way... relate? 

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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2014, 09:21:03 PM »
Gene,

 Since when is the BALL supposed to hit the 8 pin?

 I have always been under the impression that the perfect shot had the ball hitting the 1-3-5-9 (1-2-5-8 for lefties), and everything else was pin interaction.

 I know resin changed lots of the game. Did it change this too?
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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2014, 08:45:30 AM »
I think I can answer this one. When a bowler truly "pures" a shot, the ball should appear to be taking out both the 8 and 9 pins but it actually finishes between both pin spots on the deck. But a shot with maximum carry and optimum entry angle will actually finish more so in the vicinity of the 8-pin. On some shots, it might appear as if the 8-pin is the last to leave the deck when in fact it's the 5-pin leaving the deck last; the 2-pin had actually done the work by taking out the 8-pin and the 5-pin actually takes out the 9-pin.

One of the best examples of "puring" a shot is Pete Weber's strike to win the 2012 U.S. Open. Like him or not, and despite the deep inside angle that was played by Weber, that was arguably a textbook example of how pins are supposed to be driven back into the pit.

On most pocket shots, the ball will deflect slightly off the 5-pin and take out the 9-pin. This is especially true when you see the blower pocket hits.
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2014, 09:50:18 AM »
I'm a little hazy with my memory on exactly what takes out what anymore, Juggernaut. Back when I was working with USBC Equipment and Specs, I could've told you exactly what was "supposed to" go where, and I could even show you high-speed video of it happening. I may have spoken inaccurately before, but my premise remains the same. Today, leaving the 8-pin can often be linked to the ball not finishing hard enough through the deck. To the naked eye, the ball looks dead flush, but it doesn't go through the pins with the proper authority to get the 8 out.

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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2014, 10:10:14 AM »
Your mental toughness is superb!  When I get in a rut of leaving corner pins on what I feel were quality shots, my mental toughness goes out the window and start missing my spares.  Then when I miss 4 out of 5 ten pins, I completely lose focus and lose the pocket on my first ball and end up with a 510 series. 

I try to watch my ball, but it's difficult at times to see what's happening down the lane.  I know when I throw a good ball versus a poor one, but that's about it.  I guess if I could consistently hit a single board at the same angle with the same speed, rotation, and revs, then I could make changes based off of that.  I'll admit that I spray the ball.  Instead of a "spot", I have an "area" that I'm shooting for.  I do think that my release is finally getting to be more consistent so maybe I can finally work on my targeting...

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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2014, 01:17:28 PM »
Been there where I've left 10+ ten pins in a set.  It almost gets comical after moving a couple boards, change balls, change area of lane, change speed, change release, change shoes, take keys out of pocket, anything else I can think of.  There are just those times where it's just going to be a test of mental toughness to just pick up spares.  It's sure not fun though.

Gene, what adjustments did you try and why was that your choice?  I know I'm always trying to learn what others do.  I'm sure others would like to hear from someone with experience as well.

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Re: 11 10-pins in a 3-game set, way to adjust, slick! ; )
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2014, 02:44:41 PM »
To be clear, I left flat 10s, ringing 10s, and even 1-2 10s that were left over after I barely got the 7-10 out. The flat 10s and near pocket 7-10s were caused by missing right, causing the ball to go too wide and bleed a bit too much energy. The balls got back to the pocket but at too steep and angle and/or without enough umph left to finish strongly through the pins. The ringing 10s looked and felt like good shots, but I suspect they too just didn't have proper angles.

I tried getting deeper to catch a bit more oil, figuring that would allow the ball to retain energy better. I did that because I theorized part of the problem was that the heads and track were getting beaten up more than usual, causing my ball to bleed off just enough energy to cause my lack of hitting power/carry.

When that wasn't working, I tried a couple of different balls, my IQ Tour Fusion and then my Lucid. When I made those changes, I actually tried to migrate slightly back to the right, playing the ball straighter up the lane and allowing the weaker shells to give me the push I needed while saving enough energy to hit. I didn't really like the way I threw the Fusion, so I ended up going with the Lucid, which, for me, is a little earlier and lot rollier. The Lucid seemed to give me a better motion, but I still had troubles kicking out the corners.

The biggest issue was my release. I wasn't getting my hand around the ball the way that I normally do. As such, the ball was coming out with more forward roll. That definitely played a part in all of those 10-pins. The ball was getting to the pocket, but it wasn't driving hard enough when it did.

In the end, it was just one of those nights. The combination of inconsistent release, ball choice, line choice, and fellow bowlers left me a very small margin of error when it came to pin carry. Other nights, it seems like I can carry from anywhere within a 7-board area. The key is to stay calm, try to understand what you're seeing and why, and figure out a way to try to get back into a better sweet spot on the lanes.