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Magic Carpet

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A question for and about Jeff Carter
« on: June 25, 2006, 04:39:59 AM »
A question for and about Jeff Carter

I have pretty much stayed away from the “Mushtare” thing because I have no way of knowing if he really did what he said he did or not. I don’t find it impossible that he threw all of those 900s and I am more amazed that more people have not thrown them considering how easy lane conditions can be made today.

My question ABOUT Jeff Carter: Is Jeff Carter’s record league average a bigger feat (or at least as big) than throwing 2 or 3 900 sets?

Jeff Carter averaged 261.74 for a FULL season in league. That boys and girls is a 785 set if he just shoots his average. Until Jeff did that and Scroggs averaged what ever it was he averaged for a season I would have said THAT was impossible.  Honestly if Mr. Carter had called me up before the start of that season and said “Ron I am willing to bet big bucks that I can average 260 for a full league season.” I would have bet my house and I would be homeless now.  I am sure that Jeff will be the first to tell you he was not on a Sport pattern that season but he played on what they gave him to play on.

My question FOR Jeff Carter: Jeff how close did you come that season to throwing a 900 series and do you feel you were very far off from doing so? Do you feel that averaging 261 for a season is an equal feat to throwing a few 900s?

Good luck this year Jeff!
BTW it would be great if you could make it to the gathering July 21-23
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #61 on: June 27, 2006, 11:41:04 PM »
I don't know what the message thing is.  I'm new to this site.
Rob has 30+ 300's there. It was just a matter of time tell he shot 900.  He doesn't get nervous at all.

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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #62 on: June 27, 2006, 11:48:23 PM »
Jamie, do you know the answers to the questions that were asked of you?  If you dont, then you are not the real Jamie Grimm, so please go away.


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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #63 on: June 27, 2006, 11:50:56 PM »
Jeff Carter, thanks for taking the time to post here and good luck in your next event.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2006, 01:52:40 AM »
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I don't know what the message thing is.  I'm new to this site.
Rob has 30+ prebowled 300's there. It was just a matter of time tell he shot a prebowled 900.  He doesn't get nervous prebowling at all.




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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2006, 01:58:42 AM »
Jamie,

You've opened and read two messages from me....there is a reply button on the bottom.  It's not that difficult.  It's like email but across the ballreviews system.

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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2006, 02:38:51 AM »
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Mike, what makes Jeff's release so special? He doesn't list his specs in his profile.

You can answer this too Mr. Carter.



I had a pro shop guy (from up north by his accent) call me today asking this very question.  We talked awhile, very nice guy, pretty smart, knew his stuff, not Brunswick Lefty, but sorry I forgot his name.

This is the way it was explained to me:

1. Some players have a release that is rev rate dominant.
2. Some players have a release that is speed dominant.
3. For every ball speed, there is an ideal rev rate for that speed.
4. There is a range of ball speeds that carry better than others, not too fast, not too slow.
5. Jeff's natural ball speed falls in this range, AND he has almost the ideal rev rate for his said ball speed.

Maybe watch some good players.  Some guys just seem to carry the world, no matter what house, what condition.  Jeff is one of those guys, just call him Atlas.  I used to have this very same occurence, but during the urethane days, when slower ball speed was better.  I did seem to carry everything, trip the 4 pin was my signature!  I have worked with Carol Norman the passed few years trying to reduce my rev rate and increase my ball speed so that they match up better on more varieties of lane conditions.  Very hard for me, but I keep working.

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Interesting... I've been toying around with this premise for a couple of years now.. on a side note... I seem to notice most old timers (urethane days) are more rev dominant.  which is also a big problem for me.. anyway to get the formula for the ideal range??

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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2006, 08:22:49 AM »
I read in a column written by Mo Pinnel in BTM some years back, that the formula for revs to speed ratio should be about 1 to 1, meaning if you throw the ball with 17 revolutions you should be about 17 miles per hour (off the hand), at least to carry like the pros do.

That's not to say that if you throw the ball with 13 revs you should throw it 13 miles per hour, because there may not be enough oil on the lanes for that slow of ball speed, or too much oil for 24 x 24 or what ever the case may be. I'm not saying that if those are your specs you will not be competative on those conditions, just you will favor either oily lanes or dry depending on your specs.

What Mo was saying in the article was to check your specs and try to get as close to the same number of revs as mph and adjust your equipment from there. For instance if someone is tossing the ball with 13 revs at 18 mph they might want to either learn to put more revs on the ball or take some speed off the ball. If you are at Robert Smith level the 24 revs, but with only 20 mph you might want to either back off the revs a bit or up the speed, but from what Mo was saying the most versitile speed to rev ratio was between 16x16 to 20x20.

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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2006, 01:03:37 AM »
Thanks..
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