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Magic Carpet

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A question for and about Jeff Carter
« on: June 25, 2006, 04:39:59 AM »
A question for and about Jeff Carter

I have pretty much stayed away from the “Mushtare” thing because I have no way of knowing if he really did what he said he did or not. I don’t find it impossible that he threw all of those 900s and I am more amazed that more people have not thrown them considering how easy lane conditions can be made today.

My question ABOUT Jeff Carter: Is Jeff Carter’s record league average a bigger feat (or at least as big) than throwing 2 or 3 900 sets?

Jeff Carter averaged 261.74 for a FULL season in league. That boys and girls is a 785 set if he just shoots his average. Until Jeff did that and Scroggs averaged what ever it was he averaged for a season I would have said THAT was impossible.  Honestly if Mr. Carter had called me up before the start of that season and said “Ron I am willing to bet big bucks that I can average 260 for a full league season.” I would have bet my house and I would be homeless now.  I am sure that Jeff will be the first to tell you he was not on a Sport pattern that season but he played on what they gave him to play on.

My question FOR Jeff Carter: Jeff how close did you come that season to throwing a 900 series and do you feel you were very far off from doing so? Do you feel that averaging 261 for a season is an equal feat to throwing a few 900s?

Good luck this year Jeff!
BTW it would be great if you could make it to the gathering July 21-23
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2006, 01:57:14 PM »
Good post Ron.  If you think about Jeff's season, it really puts Mushtare into persective.  You said it yourself, his *average* was a 785 per week.  And we know for a fact that when you get to those kind of scores, it only means there were a couple shots that didn't carry.  Which basically means that EVERY week for an ENTIRE season, Jeff was basically 3-4 shots from a 900.  Now, ol' Robby manage to get those couple breaks for a few weeks, but that's not even close to doing that for an entire season.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2006, 02:17:31 PM »
I'm really interested to hear his reply actually.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2006, 02:43:03 PM »
I'll bet any amount of money that you can take Jeff Carter, WRWjr, Pete Weber, and Tommy Jones to our house and let them bowl 10 sets and none of them will shoot 900.  Why?  Maybe they aren't as good as Rob
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2006, 03:12:12 PM »
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House hacks can exploit house shots.   You won't get any PBA National tour players that will shoot 900 because they don't miss enough to take advantage of the house bounce.  PBA players play the lanes too tight, and use much more direct launch angles with their lane play.  Being accurate does not help a player on a league wall.

I'd bet that Mr. Carter is a much better player today, and because his skills are much more refined and polished he couldn't average 260 on that same wall he did back then.  Why? because the best games in the world are at a disadvantage on a wall.  The best releases in the game are too much for this wally ball garbage.  The better your game is, the worse you bowl on house shots.

That's been told to me by many a professional.


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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2006, 03:15:34 PM »
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Do you feel that averaging 261 for a season is an equal feat to throwing a few 900s?


An excellent thought for the day MC! and IMHO this is what a great bowler does I mean WOW!! 261 for a season is just sick, absolutely unheard of...keep up the great bowling Jeff.

I would give my left *** to do that for just one month if you know what I mean.

Later dudes,
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2006, 03:17:18 PM »
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House hacks can exploit house shots.   You won't get any PBA National tour players that will shoot 900 because they don't miss enough to take advantage of the house bounce.  PBA players play the lanes too tight, and use much more direct launch angles with their lane play.  Being accurate does not help a player on a league wall.

I'd bet that Mr. Carter is a much better player today, and because his skills are much more refined and polished he couldn't average 260 on that same wall he did back then.  Why? because the best games in the world are at a disadvantage on a wall.  The best releases in the game are too much for this wally ball garbage.  The better your game is, the worse you bowl on house shots.

That's been told to me by many a professional.


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Someone give this man a medal.  beautiful statement!


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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2006, 03:45:28 PM »
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I'll bet any amount of money that you can take Jeff Carter, WRWjr, Pete Weber, and Tommy Jones to our house and let them bowl 10 sets and none of them will shoot 900.  Why?  Maybe they aren't as good as Rob


Quite possibly one of the top 10 dumbest things EVER posted on this board.  I know Robby's your friend and you feel compelled to stick up for him, but get a grip on reality.  Then again, you might have used Robby's special scoring system to shoot your own 300.  Maybe you're in too deep to not defend him until the end of time.

They may not shoot 900 in 10 sets, but I'd be willing to back any or all of those you named to bowl Robby for 10 sets for any amount you name.  I certainly don't think I'd be alone either.

Do they let regular civilians bowl at Mushtare's center since it's on a military base?  I'd love to have a few of the board's better bowlers throw a few sets there to see how easy it is.  Someone has to live close enough to drive over and give a report.  I've seen houses that would add 15-20 pins to my average.  I know over a season I would throw several honor scores there, but 900 would never enter my thoughts.

Sorry for the continued hijack.  I think Bowling 300 900's answer is very good.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2006, 03:53:51 PM »
I said what I said because of this
 
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That is a good question, I bet Jeff Carter could throw a 900 at Roberts bowling center,


OK, I take that bet.  Bring em on and put up your money.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2006, 05:20:38 PM »
I said what I said because of this

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 That is a good question, I bet Jeff Carter could throw a 900 at Roberts bowling center,
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OK, I take that bet. Bring em on and put up your money

Can Jeff use the big stick to knock all the pins down? oh, and by the way, until mushy gets 41 titles, ON PBA CONDITIONS, i'll take wrw anyday. jamie must be smoking some good stuff
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2006, 05:27:33 PM »
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I said what I said because of this

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 That is a good question, I bet Jeff Carter could throw a 900 at Roberts bowling center,
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OK, I take that bet. Bring em on and put up your money

Can Jeff use the big stick to knock all the pins down? oh, and by the way, until mushy gets 41 titles, ON PBA CONDITIONS, i'll take wrw anyday. jamie must be smoking some good stuff
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haha exactly...i'd take ANY PRO on any day against that kid is his own house, and yes...what drugs are you on jamie?????
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2006, 05:29:39 PM »
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I'll bet any amount of money that you can take Jeff Carter, WRWjr, Pete Weber, and Tommy Jones to our house and let them bowl 10 sets and none of them will shoot 900.  Why?  Maybe they aren't as good as Rob


The only reason they wouldn't shoot 900 is because they wouldn't CHEAT!!!
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2006, 05:36:46 PM »
jamie, you've got to be kidding right? you actually think the great robert mushtare could beat pdw, wrw, or tommy jones? take ole robby out of that honey hole(thats being kind by the way)and watch him get whacked by some real bowlers. i'm sure you're a good kid and all, but don't go and disrespect any "real" bowlers by saying robert can beat them. it only makes you look like an idiot.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2006, 05:50:25 PM »
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jamie, you've got to be kidding right? you actually think the great robert mushtare could beat pdw, wrw, or tommy jones?  


I never said anything about Rob not being able to beat them.  If you were smart enough to read, you'd see that I said that I'd bet they couldn't shoot 900 in 10 sets.  Now who is the idiot?
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2006, 05:51:28 PM »
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I'll bet any amount of money that you can take Jeff Carter, WRWjr, Pete Weber, and Tommy Jones to our house and let them bowl 10 sets and none of them will shoot 900.  Why?  Maybe they aren't as good as Rob


The only reason they wouldn't shoot 900 is because they wouldn't CHEAT!!!
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Prove it then.  Until then, keep your pie hole shut.
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