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A question for and about Jeff Carter
« on: June 25, 2006, 04:39:59 AM »
A question for and about Jeff Carter

I have pretty much stayed away from the “Mushtare” thing because I have no way of knowing if he really did what he said he did or not. I don’t find it impossible that he threw all of those 900s and I am more amazed that more people have not thrown them considering how easy lane conditions can be made today.

My question ABOUT Jeff Carter: Is Jeff Carter’s record league average a bigger feat (or at least as big) than throwing 2 or 3 900 sets?

Jeff Carter averaged 261.74 for a FULL season in league. That boys and girls is a 785 set if he just shoots his average. Until Jeff did that and Scroggs averaged what ever it was he averaged for a season I would have said THAT was impossible.  Honestly if Mr. Carter had called me up before the start of that season and said “Ron I am willing to bet big bucks that I can average 260 for a full league season.” I would have bet my house and I would be homeless now.  I am sure that Jeff will be the first to tell you he was not on a Sport pattern that season but he played on what they gave him to play on.

My question FOR Jeff Carter: Jeff how close did you come that season to throwing a 900 series and do you feel you were very far off from doing so? Do you feel that averaging 261 for a season is an equal feat to throwing a few 900s?

Good luck this year Jeff!
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2006, 07:42:45 AM »
Jeff, I see on your web site that you olan to bowl in Iowa the later part of July.  Will you be bowling in any of the Pro-Ams on Friday??? My son will be bowling in them & was wondering if you were planing to as he would like to meet you.

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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2006, 07:49:28 AM »
Sukie, i'm assuming you are talking about Council Bluffs ? If thats the case I will be bowling the pro-am. I havent looked at the schedule yet to see if there are one or two pro-ams, but i'm sure i'll be bowling at least the early one
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2006, 07:57:11 AM »
Jeff,
 Kudos to you and your humble approach to this post with your replies, and thanx for your time and answers to the threads within ... classy, down-to-earth, and a fine example to be followed !!!
BTW, best of luck this upcoming season on the tour !!!
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2006, 10:02:53 AM »
Jeff Carter = One of the good guys.  

I just became a fan off this thread alone.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2006, 10:48:51 AM »
Hose,
 It's 'rasslin' ... not wrestling !!!

(BTW, I started watching the WWWF back in the early 70s !!!)
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2006, 10:57:14 AM »
OK on that topic, how funny was RAW last night ??? The DX skit was the funniest @#$% I've ever seen. I was crying i was laughing so hard
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2006, 10:59:31 AM »
William Regal > All Others.

Well, except for MAYBE Booker T.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2006, 12:56:05 PM »
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OK on that topic, how funny was RAW last night ??? The DX skit was the funniest @#$% I've ever seen. I was crying i was laughing so hard
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I started watching this in 70's too. The only problem with DX is that HHH makes too good of a heal to be a face for long. It will only be a matter of time until he "turns" on Shawn Micheals and we have 4-5 months of a feud between them again.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2006, 01:10:20 PM »
Why make HHH a face at all is the question?  Why make anyone a face?  IT'S TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2006, 04:54:18 PM »
I know whenever my association does prebowls, the league officer or some type of official stays present throughout the whole session.  I don't see why it's that hard for any other association to follow?
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2006, 10:36:36 PM »
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I know whenever my association does prebowls, the league officer or some type of official stays present throughout the whole session.  I don't see why it's that hard for any other association to follow?
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I was not at the convention this year when the prebowl topic came up, however, I was at the city association meeting and a USBC rep was present.  The biggest arguement AGAINST banning youth prebowling was the affect it would have on membership.  According to the youth reps at the national convention, because of all the other options youths have, it is too hard to get an adult to coach, let alone show up during non-league hours to watch a youth bowl.  It seems that with all the other option, they are afraid if we make it harder for youths to participate, they will just go play soccer instead of trying to find an unbiased adult to watch them bowl.
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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2006, 10:52:53 PM »
It is often easy to set up the bowling near a desk personnel.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I have known cheaters along the lines of that alleged against Young Mr. Mushtare...and they don't act like Mr. Mushtare...they shrink away when accused.  
Though some are not sure of the number of 900s...many(not all) are certain that Robert Mushtare throws a ball to garner a 900!  5 is the uncertainty for some but many including pros and writers and regional champs feel a 900 was possible for him!  It is the statistical improbability of the many that gets to them!
PPS after reading many articles I googled today...it was impressed upon me that the USBC interviewed many witnesses of partial games of his 900s!  It is my impression is that they all saw...a lot of strikes!


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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2006, 11:01:15 PM »
Rob throws nothing but strikes and he didn't cheat and neither did I.

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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #59 on: June 27, 2006, 11:09:25 PM »
How come nobody gave this much attention to the guy that pre-bowled a 900 in a different house then what the league was in and I'm not sure if anyone was with him or not.  I was bowling with Rob when he shot one of Feb 19th.

I think everyone is just jelous because they didn't do it and it was done by a 17 year old.

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Re: A question for and about Jeff Carter
« Reply #60 on: June 27, 2006, 11:33:22 PM »
It's really too bad Robert's last set with Jamie(who I"m not sure is the real thing by the way). Wasn't 890...or 879...and if he never told anyone about his practice 900s.

Then maybe all this doubt wouldn't have happened.

Jamie...you see the other guy who prebowled one...did only one!

Now maybe you(if you are the real Jamie...and I've messaged you and don't think you are) understand how a very strong powerful bowler bowling in a fairly friendly center(at least for his ball roll) with lively pins ...would start to develop a groove and a confidence and a familiarity with the lanes...AND a growing confidence.

I understand that progression that feel...that sense...this is where I'm going next.  I've been there in golf and also in bowling I once went thru a progression of confidence building where you could do somehting no one else could think you could do!  But you sensed it!

It starts in practice...Robert talked about shooting 900 in practice...if it had been 879 he would have felt the same way..."I'm soon gonna shoot 900!".

Then he did and it was rejected on a technicality!  Then if he shot 868 in practice(instead of the 900 he stated.
Then he would think..."I'm gonna do it again".  It builds!

Some get it...many don't...it's something they can't get their mind around.

Me I had a teammate come in late...open most of the way till a 65 in the 5th.
Then go sheet, sheet, sheet, and run up and finish 36 in a row after league.

I've seen it and knew it could be done I had seen it years ago!  He did not throw as strong as Robert!

Another time I saw a guy go 9 in a row for 9 straight games in league and never close out a 300(TIGHTEN UP!).  So I saw how it could go the other way.

It is a mental process ...progressed thru phases by a very powerful bowler on a a very favorable shot!

I believe it all happened.

Jamie(if you really are who you say you are) you get it...I get it...some others do...Many Others don't...and never will you must understand their way of thinking!  It's not likely...so it didn't happen.  Others who have been fortunate enough to see things or to be really fortunate enough to do similar things know it is only improbable if one thinks so...if one doesn't belive it's possible...then it becomes even more improbable!

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PS think how many 900s have been stopped by the bowler himself...those who have gotten close if asked...will tell you...exactly what happened...
PPS two years ago in our area a guy who had never shot 300 went 300 300 5 bagger and a lady passed out on the lanes next to him...she revived an hour later to discover itwas a massive gas attack(belch)...he crumbled after an hour wait to 836!  Some that were there said he had the 900 look!  Totally unconcious!  Not nervous at all!  They call it in the moment...I've been there...oh so briefly(is is heaven?)
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