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shawn300

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Alcohol???
« on: May 04, 2003, 07:32:38 PM »
Is it ABC legal to use alcohol on your ball during league play? If you keep the ball as clean as possible every time it goes down the lane, it will help the ball reaction. I avg 215 with an old blue pearl hammer. Make good shots and earn your strikes, throw urethane!!
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card79

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2003, 10:39:40 AM »
Yes I believe it is legal, BUT I don't really see where alcohol has that much effect in properly removing oil from the coverstock of the bowling ball.
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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2003, 10:48:06 AM »
If you wanna earn your strikes, throw an old hard rubber ball!!


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michelle

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2003, 10:49:32 AM »

Seems like a perfectly good waste of beverage...oh wait, this isn't Tiffany where they ran out of certain beverages and you were talking about isopropyl alcohol

Card, alcohol was used a lot with the older stuff to keep the surface clean.  The concepts of oil absorption is something new.  The Pearl hammers probably didn't absorb a whole lot of oil  The older urethane did, however, seem prone to picking up surface debris on the track back to the ball return and alcohol did the job for a lot less cost than some of the current cleaners.
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card79

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2003, 11:06:54 AM »
I stand corrected.  I apologize shawn.  I had only tried it on my newer equipment.  Thanks to Michelle I think you have the right answer now.  

Sorry everyone.
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Bjaardker

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2003, 01:43:59 PM »
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Just as an info:

One of our teammates gave a small sample of a well known ball cleaner to his company's laboratory without telling them what that stuff is.

This is what they found in there:


  • 60% water

  • 30% ethyl alcohol

  • 5% polyglycol

  • 2% washingup liquid

  • other useless stuff (color, fragrance,...)





Care to elaborate what the well known ball cleaner was?

I've always wanted to know what's in Hook-it personally.
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dicnic

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2003, 01:44:15 PM »
Remember that alcohol will NOT dissolve oil. It will help remove dirt etc. but if you are attempting to dissolve oil with it, no dice.
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seadrive

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2003, 01:45:59 PM »
I'll take a guess what it was.  How about Storm Proacta-Clean?
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Bjaardker

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2003, 02:58:40 PM »
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I'll take a guess what it was.  How about Storm Proacta-Clean?


Yeah I was going to say reacta-clean.

Thanks for the info capa.

I guess I'll just have to wait until I find someone with a Mass Spectrometer laying around to find out what's in Hook-it.

On a side note, have any pro shops tried getting an MSDS (material safety data sheet) from Neotac on their products? And if so, how much of the ingredients do they disguise as "trade secret"?

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da Shiv

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2003, 02:59:51 PM »
Like Bjaardker, I've always wondered what's in Hook-It.  I use loads of it, but it makes me a little nervous.  I wear neoprene gloves when I apply it.  The way it dissolves some plastics caused me to exchange a few emails with Neotac about it.  When I got around to asking about what possible harm could come from long term skin contact, the email replies from them stopped.  Maybe we should request Material Safety Data Sheets.

I posted here on the board when I started emailing Neotac about Hook-It, and I remember several people expressed interest in finding out more about any possible health effects from using it.  I promised to report here what I found out, but Neotac never got back to me about it.  I probably should have pursued it, but I didn't.  I just keep using the gloves.

To get back to the initial topic, it is legal to use Hook-It DURING ABC play, but I don't know if Hook-It is advisable on regular urethane.  It probably is.  DON'T use it on plastic, however!

Shiv
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da Shiv

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2003, 03:01:33 PM »
Bjaardker and I both thinking MSDS simultaneously--scary.

Shiv
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Bjaardker

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2003, 04:36:33 PM »
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Bjaardker and I both thinking MSDS simultaneously--scary.

Shiv


Hehehe, Very scary.

The only problem with the data sheets is that companies can a lot of times bury anything they want in "Trade Secret" ingredients. Good for keeping people away from stealing your product, bad for consumers wondering what the hell it is.

I just E-mailed Neotac for an MSDS. If I dont hear from them in a while I'll snail mail them.

I'll let ya know.

Edited on 5/5/2003 4:50 PM
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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2003, 10:33:47 AM »
I dont know if this is the best place to post this but I know I have seen messages in the past questioning the use of alcohol on bowling balls.  This is from a ball manufacturers website:

To keep it working consistant - (if dull) it may require cleaning frequently with alcohol or soapy water and a scotchbrite pad. The particles are non-abrassive and located throughout the cover so no special equipment is needed to resurface the ball and cleaning with alcohol or soapy water will not damage the ball or its reaction no matter how many times you clean it or sand it.

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Steven

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2003, 10:51:53 AM »
bowlin_gr8: This is also from a bowling manufacturers website (Ebonite to be exact):

 
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We recommend cleaning your ball after each league with a strong degreasing cleaner to remove oil and dirt from the ball's surface and to reduce the amount of oil absorbed into the ball. Alcohol and glass cleaners are not effective at breaking down lane oil.  


We can quote manufacturers all day, but more important, use logic. Alcohol is not a degreasing agent. You want to use something that will not only clean, but chemically break down grease/oil.

Alcohol does not meet this fundamental requirement. I assume you don't use alcohol to clean the grease/oil off your stove. Why would you assume that it would be anymore effective on your bowling ball?

Use alcohol to disinfect a cut before applying a Band-Aid -- keep the stuff away from your bowling ball!
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charlest

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Re: Alcohol???
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2003, 11:40:18 AM »
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Bjaardker and I both thinking MSDS simultaneously--scary.

Shiv


I cannot imagine the Neo-Tac Hook-it MSDS containing any warnings regarding human saftey. If it did, they would be in for such a mega-lawsuit, based on the recent past history of corporations being sued for denying similar knowledge to consumers, that Neo-Tac would be driven out of business very quickly.

If you're worried about Hook-it, think acetone. Acetone has been proven to be not harmful to humans yet it dissolves the plastic that is the basic component of all bowling balls.

Of course, if Neo-Tac's lawyers have not yet warned them of such ....
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