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Plane Facts

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Bowling and Smoking
« on: March 13, 2008, 03:23:21 AM »
http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/n/content/oh/index/news/local/news_poll.html


Please refer to the above link if you are a smoker who feels you have lost all rights to choose.

Please click this link or cut and paste it into your browser, you will see a news poll that states,” DO you agree with the smoking ban”. If you are a smoker who wants to restore some freedom of choice please select, “ no “ then submit it. You do not have to leave your name or comments.

There is a group of about 30 people who sit in front of a sponsored computer and vote every hour, they are against smoking so they vote yes, this is how the ban was put in place, by using deceptive tactics .

Since they are not playing by the rules we should respond using the same method.

You can vote as many times as possible, just once every hour, and for as many days as you want to.

Thanks for your help in restoring some form of freedom.

Also please tell as many people that smoke to vote. Thanks, a ton.

This certainly isn't intended to insult any one who doesn't smoke, but the leagues in this area are dropping very quickly, and the pro shops are loosing money because of it. I am disabled and do not smoke, but it never upset me bowling on leauge night where just about every one smoked.

I love this sport and I can't stand to see it slipping away because of a smoking ban. Compromise would be great. Open bowing or on weekends while kids and or families are bowling, no smoking. League nights when all the working class citizens are doing what they love, then let em smoke. My pro shop has gone under, how many others will suffer this fate?

Your help would not only be appreciated, it will help to perserve what we all come here for, to bowl.

Thanks, Mike aka Plane Facts

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Dan Belcher

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Re: Bowling and Smoking
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2008, 03:21:28 PM »
I grew up with my dad and my grandpa (who lived with us) smoking.  Mom and I are both nonsmokers.  Despite being in the same house as them for years and years, we never got used to cigarette smoke.  And who knows how much lung damaged it's caused both of us.  I'm a big fan of the smoking ban.  Its direct implications on other people separates this from any other kind of example the smokers try to use to show how their rights are being taken away.  Yes, your right to smoke in public is being taken away, but it's also making everyone around you healthier.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2008, 03:28:24 PM »
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Its direct implications on other people separates this from any other kind of example the smokers try to use to show how their rights are being taken away.  Yes, your right to smoke in public is being taken away, but it's also making everyone around you healthier.


This is about it.  It's kind of, well not kind of, extremely rude to the people around you but unfortunately it takes a law like this.
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2008, 03:41:01 PM »
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Its direct implications on other people separates this from any other kind of example the smokers try to use to show how their rights are being taken away.  Yes, your right to smoke in public is being taken away, but it's also making everyone around you healthier.


This is about it.  It's kind of, well not kind of, extremely rude to the people around you but unfortunately it takes a law like this.
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Yep.  I equate it to noise laws.  If I like, just to be stereotypical, RAP music and I have a 2bazillion watt amp and speakers the size of a VW Beetle, you'd ***** about me enjoying my habit of driving around listening to extremely loud rap music.  Smoking is the same thing - just because you enjoy it doesn't mean everyone around you wants to put up with it.

So what do we do?  Since people can't be decent enough to consider how the things they enjoy may not be such a joy to those around them, laws are passed to force the self-centered indiscriminate to modify their behavior for the benefit of the public.

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NicholasE

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Re: Bowling and Smoking
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2008, 03:45:53 PM »
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Its direct implications on other people separates this from any other kind of example the smokers try to use to show how their rights are being taken away.  Yes, your right to smoke in public is being taken away, but it's also making everyone around you healthier.


This is about it.  It's kind of, well not kind of, extremely rude to the people around you but unfortunately it takes a law like this.
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Yep.  I equate it to noise laws.  If I like, just to be stereotypical, RAP music and I have a 2bazillion watt amp and speakers the size of a VW Beetle, you'd ***** about me enjoying my habit of driving around listening to extremely loud rap music.  Smoking is the same thing - just because you enjoy it doesn't mean everyone around you wants to put up with it.

So what do we do?  Since people can't be decent enough to consider how the things they enjoy may not be such a joy to those around them, laws are passed to force the self-centered indiscriminate to modify their behavior for the benefit of the public.

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spmcgivern

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Re: Bowling and Smoking
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2008, 03:56:06 PM »
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It all comes down to the rights of the business owners and the consumer's right to choose.

If you don't like the smoke, get together with all the others that don't like the smoke, and complain to the business owner. Tell them that you will all take your business elsewhere. If the owner decides that they will then make it a smoke free place, then that is fine with me.It is their right as the owner to make that choice.
They are in business to make money, and will do whatever will bring in the most business.

If that means allowing smoking,and you don't like it,then you are free to chose not to give them your business, and give it to a non-smoking establishment.

I hate the smell of the alley on the nights of women's league. A bunch of overweight women wearing too much cheap perfume to cover up the smell of sweat.
So here's what I do.............I GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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I find it funny you suggest getting everyone together who doesn't like to smoke and try to "force" or "blackmail" the owner into changing his rules.  Did you join the league when smoking was allowed?  I'm sure you did.  It is one thing to decide not to start a league somewhere smoking is allowed, but it is another to start and then decide you want to change the owner's rules.  

If I was an owner and a bunch of current league bowlers came up to me and said, "if you don't become a smoke-free bowling center, we are leaving,"  I would tell them I will evaluate the proposition and make a decision that will go into effect at the beginning of the next season.  If you still don't like the decision, then leave.  I am sure USBC will enjoy revoking your membership for quitting.

I am not condoning smoking, and I actually enjoy smoke-free bowling centers.  But I find it a little selfish to try and force an owner to change his rules in the middle of a season.  If he does change it, then I'm sure he will have another group of bowlers, this time smokers, saying, "allow us to smoke or we are leaving."  Of course, this is all moot if smoke-free is a law.
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NicholasE

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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2008, 04:33:10 PM »
guess it goes to show, no smoke = better vision. I know like last night I could bearly breath with all our smoke and my eyes were watering. I just couldn't balance at the foul line and couldn't shoot well.
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Skizriz

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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2008, 06:14:12 PM »
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I find it funny you suggest getting everyone together who doesn't like to smoke and try to "force" or "blackmail" the owner into changing his rules. Did you join the league when smoking was allowed? I'm sure you did. It is one thing to decide not to start a league somewhere smoking is allowed, but it is another to start and then decide you want to change the owner's rules.




  It has nothing to do with "blackmail". If enough people state that a smoke free environment is what they want, then it is in the owners best interest to accomadate the majority of the paying customers.You're not forcing them to do anything.
If they think it is their best business decision to keep it a smoking facility, they are perfectly in line to tell you to go pound salt.They will get their business from the smokers.

Believe me, I'm all for allowing smoking, and also banning smoking,,,,just make it the owners decision based on what clientale they want.

If you don't like the smoking in a restaurant/bar/bowling alley,go to a restaurant/bar/bowling alley that prohibits smoking.Then you don't have to smell it, it's simple.


 
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If I was an owner and a bunch of current league bowlers came up to me and said, "if you don't become a smoke-free bowling center, we are leaving," I would tell them I will evaluate the proposition and make a decision that will go into effect at the beginning of the next season. If you still don't like the decision, then leave. I am sure USBC will enjoy revoking your membership for quitting.

 


As a business owner you would have every right to do that. And I would have no problem with it. You as a consumer have they right to choose whether you want to contunue to give them your business, and they have the right to decide whether they want your business.

Edited on 3/13/2008 6:21 PM
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fins4ever88

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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 06:14:15 PM »
Yep, I clicked yes.

Smoking is stupid. Why should I suffer for your stupidity?? You want to do it, go outside. I'd rather not go home smelling like smoke or have a damn asthma attack because you were stupid enough to form an addiction that wastes your money and is a testament to your lack of ability in making intelligent choices.
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Skizriz

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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 06:22:26 PM »
Let me ask you this Ryan,

Why don't you simply go to a non-smoking bowling alley if you hate it so much ???

It seems like you can't make an intellegent choice.You hate the smell, yet you continue to go there.


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Re: Bowling and Smoking
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 06:32:07 PM »
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Let me ask you this Ryan,

Why don't you simply go to a non-smoking bowling alley if you hate it so much ???

It seems like you can't make an intellegent choice.You hate the smell, yet you continue to go there.


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Edited on 3/13/2008 6:24 PM


Because there isn't one in driving distance. I'm not stupid, I know I can go to one if there was an option. Nice try though.
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Skizriz

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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 06:37:52 PM »
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Because there isn't one in driving distance.


I wonder why none of the owners choose to make their business non-smoking??

Think maybe that the majority of their customers want to be able to smoke ??





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Re: Bowling and Smoking
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2008, 07:00:15 PM »
I voted "yes"... its unbelievable how nice it is to not smell like an ashtray and I think my cough I would get has subsided.....
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NicholasE

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Re: Bowling and Smoking
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2008, 08:11:58 PM »
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Why don't you simply go to a non-smoking bowling alley if you hate it so much ???

It seems like you can't make an intellegent choice.You hate the smell, yet you continue to go there.


We only have one center around here. I'm not driving 1hr to go bowl in a smoke free one, if there is one, I haven't really checked cause I like our center. Its new but smoking sux.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2008, 10:42:50 PM »
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76% of American's don't smoke, so the 24% that do can go outside and poison their own lungs.


I believe I heard a stat somewhere that over 70% of league bowlers smoke.  Whenever I'm bowling league, I usully stay away from everyone else, I hate the smoke.  We recently forced a non-smoking ban until 6 pm, doesn't effect the leagues. Hope it goes full time soon.
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2008, 11:46:16 PM »
I wish here in Texas they would actually pass a state wide ban of smoking instead of leaving cities to pass laws. Recently Dallas and Fort Worth joined Arlington being smoke free. Those however, are the bigger cities. In the smaller suburbs, they will never pass a law at this rate.

I think eventually the entire United States will be smoke free and we will laugh when we couldn't believe people were aloud to smoke in public buildings.
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