Author Topic: Bowling and Smoking (Read 9226 times)

Plane Facts · « **on:** March 13, 2008, 03:23:21 AM »

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/n/content/oh/index/news/local/news_poll.html

Please refer to the above link if you are a smoker who feels you have lost all rights to choose.

Please click this link or cut and paste it into your browser, you will see a news poll that states,â€ DO you agree with the smoking banâ€. If you are a smoker who wants to restore some freedom of choice please select, â€œ no â€œ then submit it. You do not have to leave your name or comments.

There is a group of about 30 people who sit in front of a sponsored computer and vote every hour, they are against smoking so they vote yes, this is how the ban was put in place, by using deceptive tactics .

Since they are not playing by the rules we should respond using the same method.

You can vote as many times as possible, just once every hour, and for as many days as you want to.

Thanks for your help in restoring some form of freedom.

Also please tell as many people that smoke to vote. Thanks, a ton.

This certainly isn't intended to insult any one who doesn't smoke, but the leagues in this area are dropping very quickly, and the pro shops are loosing money because of it. I am disabled and do not smoke, but it never upset me bowling on leauge night where just about every one smoked.

I love this sport and I can't stand to see it slipping away because of a smoking ban. Compromise would be great. Open bowing or on weekends while kids and or families are bowling, no smoking. League nights when all the working class citizens are doing what they love, then let em smoke. My pro shop has gone under, how many others will suffer this fate?

Your help would not only be appreciated, it will help to perserve what we all come here for, to bowl.

Thanks, Mike aka Plane Facts

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A measure of success, to peruse your dream and watch it unfold.

Jock · « **Reply #31 on:** March 14, 2008, 04:22:36 AM »

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I voted yes. Most people don't want to have to smell your crap.

I'm a long time smoker.

If they stopped selling cigarettes tomorrow then EVERYONE'S (including the non smokers) other direct and indirect taxes would double overnight. The government would get the lost taxes back (and probably even more)!

I'm also allergic (from birth) to certain perfumes. I'm also allergic to certain other smells (like fresh oranges). I have to leave the room immediately. I just have to live with it. I certainly wouldn't put on a message board like this one "I don't want to have to smell your crap" to someone who eats oranges or someone who is heavily perfumed next to me.

There's a nation wide public place smoking ban installed in France since the 01/01/08 and numerous small businesses are going under every week.

I think that everyone, smokers and non smokers alike, should be more tolerant.

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I've upped my average, so up yours!

Edited on 3/14/2008 6:01 AM

AngloBowler · « **Reply #32 on:** March 14, 2008, 06:04:17 AM »

Jock, I appreciate your point, however, I think you'll agree the allergies you exhibit are uncommon to say the least. Certainly more uncommon than smoking.
The call for tolerance is a laudable one, however, you seem to be asking non-smokers to be tolerant of your smoking, whilst you are tolerant of....? Their not smoking?? Puzzling to say the least.
I think a previous poster has hit the nail on the head with an analogy to noise pollution. We recognise that the activities of people around us can have a detrimental impact on our well-being, and also that some people (the minority in most cases) are incapable of stewarding themselves sufficiently to minimise this. In these instances, people are forbidden from enjoying their pleasure at the expense of others, regardless of how many others there are.
Will it really reduce the pleasure people derive from bowling so much, if they are unable to smoke during their evening? If smokers were aware of the discomfort that they were causing others, through their behaviour, would they continue regardless?
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Jock · « **Reply #33 on:** March 14, 2008, 06:11:55 AM »

Anglobowler,

I'm asking them to be more tolerant of my habits that they don't like or that physically upsets them and I'll be more tolerant of their habits that I don't like or that physically upset me. We're not only talking about smoking here.
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AngloBowler · « **Reply #34 on:** March 14, 2008, 06:23:32 AM »

Well, I'll admit that the subject has wandered slightly, however, we did begin with smoking as a topic, and most of the discourse has been limited to it, using other things as analogies.
I will admit that I find smoking deeply unpleasant. However, when I was bowling before the ban came into effect, I would remove myself from wherever people were smoking. People would usually smoke on the concourse area, however, in many cases, I would have to endure smoke in the bowlers area. Your call for tolerance is a fine idea, what we need in addition to tolerance, is consideration. I'm not suggesting that you are inconsiderate yourself, but there are a large number of people who are. If I was doing something that caused you physical discomfort, such as wearing a particular scent which antagonised your allergy, then I would respond positively to a polite comment to the effect. Few of us are sociopaths, and just as few are wilfully inconsiderate to others. I have, in my experience, encountered a great many wilfully inconsiderate smokers, who despite requests continue to affect my health and enjoyment (and indeed my ability to bowl, as this suffers in a smoky atmosphere also).

In finishing.. Tolerance is all well and good, but when it comes to smoking, consideration is equally important. And if consideration cannot be counted upon, then tolerance will give way to compulsion...
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Baxfran · « **Reply #35 on:** March 14, 2008, 06:44:37 AM »

There is no safe level of secondhand smoke, AND there's no such thing as a safe cigarette!

e-mail me at francis.bax@roswellpark.org if you're interested in more information!

FRAN
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Fran Bax

A Member of the Buffalo and New York State Bowling Association Halls of Fame

PS: Wanna Quit Smoking?
In New York State - Call 1-866-NYQUITS (1-866-697-8487)
Outside New York State - Call 1-800-QUITNOW (1-800-784-8669)

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #36 on:** March 14, 2008, 06:56:48 AM »

Nobody has yet explained to me why smoking is so necessary? Nobody told you to go do something as INCREDIBLY f'ing stupid as killing yourself and others around you one cigarette as a time. If you are dumb enough to smoke, I shouldn't be forced to deal with it as well. It isn't like we're banning you from doing something you naturally have to do to survive. It's your own choice that you started smoking, and now you're helplessly addicted to it, and tough crap! Instead of worrying about being able to smoke in public locations, maybe you should be worrying more about how to stop smoking altogether.

Neptune66 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 14, 2008, 07:29:16 AM »

I am a non-smoker, but strongly disagree with the smoking bans.

There are two separate issues here:

1) The health one. It is true that it's nice to not have smoke and ashes around. Can't argue much with that.

2) The Personal freedoms issue. No matter what the consequences or health issues, smoking is still technically legal in this country. If it is someday declared illegal, then fine... it will of course be banned everywhere. But as long as it's legal, banning it IS an infringement on people's rights.

Yes... smokers ARE people too! Setting aside separate seating areas or even rooms...ok. But complete bans? That is going too far.

Again... I like not having the smoke around too! I just believe that personal freedoms and their protection are a much more important issue and that it overides the short-term benefits of the smoking bans. In other words, we're healthier physically, but our constitutional freedoms are being trampled on.

Just because THIS ban doesn;t affect non-smokers, doesn't mean the next one won't. Think about THAT !!!!!

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #38 on:** March 14, 2008, 08:06:47 AM »

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2) The Personal freedoms issue. No matter what the consequences or health issues, smoking is still technically legal in this country. If it is someday declared illegal, then fine... it will of course be banned everywhere. But as long as it's legal, banning it IS an infringement on people's rights.

You can go smoke all you want. You just have to walk 10 feet from your table, go out the door, and smoke outside. Nobody is telling you that you can't smoke period. I liked the analogy someone else used, it's like how you can't turn up your car stereo loud enough to break the glass in the windows of every house you drive past. You can listen to your radio, but you have to do it in a sensible fashion that isn't a nuisance to others.

Kid Jete · « **Reply #39 on:** March 14, 2008, 08:22:35 AM »

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I am a non-smoker, but strongly disagree with the smoking bans.

There are two separate issues here:

1) The health one. It is true that it's nice to not have smoke and ashes around. Can't argue much with that.

2) The Personal freedoms issue. No matter what the consequences or health issues, smoking is still technically legal in this country. If it is someday declared illegal, then fine... it will of course be banned everywhere. But as long as it's legal, banning it IS an infringement on people's rights.

Yes... smokers ARE people too! Setting aside separate seating areas or even rooms...ok. But complete bans? That is going too far.

Again... I like not having the smoke around too! I just believe that personal freedoms and their protection are a much more important issue and that it overides the short-term benefits of the smoking bans. In other words, we're healthier physically, but our constitutional freedoms are being trampled on.

Just because THIS ban doesn;t affect non-smokers, doesn't mean the next one won't. Think about THAT !!!!!

We've been through this in a prior post and obvioiusly you paid no attention. In the majority, if not all of the states that banned smoking the voters passed the bill themselves. Essentially they took away their own rights. Their right to die younger, get lung cancer and emphzyma, age faster and not to mention share all this great stuff with the non smokers around them. Don't give me your government is taking out right away crap. Last time I checked the majority had the say in this country and whether or not you're in that majority you need to deal with it. You're more than welcome to try and dig up some figure on how many states passed a non smokking law without the voters majority but I doubt you'll find many, if any at all.

dpunky · « **Reply #40 on:** March 14, 2008, 08:54:35 AM »

I voted Yes in the Poll

I am definitely in favor for the smoking ban. Virginia does not ban smoking in bowling centers. Too me, it is not the annoyance of having my hair and clothes smell like smoke after bowling a league. It's the constant exposure to second hand smoke and its damaging effect to my lungs that worries me. Bowling centers are an enclosed environment which does not circulate air freely like the outdoors. My body does not have built in filters to block the toxic smoke. I would have to wear a gas mask to completely filter out the smoke.

Its not that hard for smokers to go outside and smoke before, between games, and after games. They can still have their right to smoke, but just not in the center where their smoking can cause second hand smoking related diseases like emphasema and lung cancer to non smokers. To me, bowling and smoking don't go hand in hand.
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SUNDEVIL23 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 14, 2008, 04:46:52 PM »

I clicked no again. I don't smoke but smoking in a bowling alley is American as apple pie, baseball, and fourth of july fireworks.

Borincano · « **Reply #42 on:** March 14, 2008, 04:56:30 PM »

If you can fly in an airplane for 2 or more hours without smoking. I think you can do the same while bowling.

Kid Jete · « **Reply #43 on:** March 14, 2008, 05:03:04 PM »

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I clicked no again. I don't smoke but smoking in a bowling alley is American as apple pie, baseball, and fourth of july fireworks.

The difference is all those thing don't seriously effect the health of the smoker and everyone around them.

I wish I could ignore topics like this because for the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could support public smoking. Why anyone would purposely inhale toxic air into their lungs is totally beyond me. Sadly I get so pissed that I can't help but respond lol.

kcTwister · « **Reply #44 on:** March 14, 2008, 06:02:10 PM »

People say that there should be more tolerance, that business will go under, etc. I clicked "Yes" for clean air. I have seen this ban take effect in both Houston and the KC area and it is a breath of fresh air (pardon the pun ;-). The business survive just fine...the reality is people who are addicted to their vices, both smoking and drinking, will still go out and accomplish both. Now you just have people freezing their arses off standing on a patio in the winter to get their nicotine fix. I have been relatively "tolerant" of their smoke for a long time and it is time for a change.

I can't tell you how nice it is to go to dinner or go out for a couple drinks and not come back smelling like an ash tray. Every single smoker I know has tried to quit at one point or another and if I were a smoker I would embrace this change in the law to finally accomplish that goal. At the end of the day I believe everyone shold have the right to breath clean air in a public place and I applaud any city or state that finally listened to the majority and put a ban in place.

Bringing this back to bowling...the reality is most bowling alleys can't hardly afford to take down the awful wood paneling on the walls from the time the place was constructed. They still have the same horrible stained carpet, bathrooms that should be condemned, scoring systems, pin setters and ball returns from the 80's, etc. Do you really believe they have the funds to install a filtration systems that will alleviate the ventilation issues...puhleeze...

Edited on 3/14/2008 6:03 PM

mdg4 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 14, 2008, 06:21:24 PM »

quote:
I am a non-smoker, but strongly disagree with the smoking bans.

There are two separate issues here:

1) The health one. It is true that it's nice to not have smoke and ashes around. Can't argue much with that.

2) The Personal freedoms issue. No matter what the consequences or health issues, smoking is still technically legal in this country. If it is someday declared illegal, then fine... it will of course be banned everywhere. But as long as it's legal, banning it IS an infringement on people's rights.

Yes... smokers ARE people too! Setting aside separate seating areas or even rooms...ok. But complete bans? That is going too far.

Again... I like not having the smoke around too! I just believe that personal freedoms and their protection are a much more important issue and that it overides the short-term benefits of the smoking bans. In other words, we're healthier physically, but our constitutional freedoms are being trampled on.

Just because THIS ban doesn;t affect non-smokers, doesn't mean the next one won't. Think about THAT !!!!!

What about my personal rights and constitutional freedoms to breathe clean air?

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