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Zanatos1914

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Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« on: March 23, 2008, 10:57:37 PM »
Whats the advantage of buying balls online vs @ a proshop...

Also heard so guys taking about some balls pin being out of place...  something about it being to close to the mass bias...  Does this type of stuff really happen...
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2008, 07:34:08 AM »
Heres the low down on the internet world of selling bowling balls.

What the more popular companies do, like BuddiesProShop.com, is they have a warehouse which the load up with cases and cases of performance bowling balls of usually 14-16 lbs. They are not picky about what the specs of these balls are, whether the pin to cg distance is 0" or whether it is 5" because they buy in bulk and get cheaper prices. SO they take their cheap price and sell it back to us at 10-15 dollars profit plus shipping, sometimes free shipping. Even though they have a warehouse full of bowling balls with many different specs, does not mean they actually will honor your request of certain specs of Top Weight or Pin distance. You could order a 4" pin with 4 oz of top weight and get a 0-1" pin with 1-2 oz of top, or visa-versa.

With that being said, you never know what you are actually going to get. Sometimes you can get exactly what you asked for, somethings it wont even be close to what you asked for. And these online pro shops might let you return the ball and replace it with a new one if the customer complained but they would make the customer pay the shipping fees.

Though the price you pay at the online shop looks very good initially, you also have to understand that regular walk in pro shops have to keep up their business as well, and will need to charge more to punch out one of these balls purchased online. So in the end, you could spend $135 at buddies for a Black Widow Bite, pay the shipping fee of, i dont know, 10-15 dollars maybe, and you are at $145 total. Then you have to go to the pro shop, which will charge you somewhere between 40-50 dollars to drill out a performance bowling ball, and you are looking somewhere around 185-195, and then you have to add inserts (thumb and finger) which will run anywhere around $20 total give or take a few. Your running total is somewhere around 205-215 plus tax as an overall price, and you do not know what type of bowling ball you are going to get.

If you went into a walk in pro shop in a bowling center and ordered a ball, the pro shop owner, or whoever brings in the orders, would be able to request a bowling ball with ideal specs for the person who has ordered the bowling ball. They will usually reject any bowling ball with a low pin distance and top weight as well as the unusually high pin distances and top weights. By going into a standing pro shop you are guaranteeing yourself a top quality ball with specs  ideal to drill into.

Lets also bring up the price of the bowling ball in the standing pro shop. My shop sells the Black Widow Bite for 199.95 + tax drilled out the door. Thats anywhere from a 15 to 20 dollar increase from the purchase of the online bowling ball, and you have the added perk of knowing that your bowling ball will be top quality.
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2008, 08:30:34 AM »
Thanks for the information..

I knew some of the details but that is wrong for sending customer bad balls. I thought each ball was inspected to make sure it was made correctly...  This is really bad and especially since I dont know anything about drilling
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2008, 08:36:38 AM »
BOWLERKIDR .. great job on the explanation!
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2008, 08:49:09 AM »
Just to clear up a few things about the online shops...some are better than others.

Buddies has been known to call their customers when they dont have the specs available.  They wont just send out a 5" pin with 4 oz of top, if you request a 2" pin and 2 oz of top.  Some other online shops will do this too, its just good customer service.

Now some companies do ebay auctions, and that is where its a crapshoot for what specs you will get.

In general there is usually a savings to buying online if you buy from a reputable dealer, and we could get into the whole online vrs brick and mortar shop debate again and whats good for the industry, but why beat a dead horse...my feeling is and has always been, if a Pro Shop charges enough for their time to drill the ball then there really shouldnt be a problem...it still amazes me that the pro shops who complain about people buying stuff online are usually the ones still drilling a ball for $30 or less including inserts...


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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2008, 08:52:49 AM »
Most of the time, the internet shopper is looking for price. They are still concerned with quality, but the brick and mortar pro shop can determine the skill level and attributes of a bowler, and determone the proper weight and specs needed on the ball. I have seen the over 5 inch pins and cg right on the pin too often. I then explain what I can and cant do, because the are stuck with what the internet seller sent them !
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 08:58:11 AM »
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So in the end, you could spend $135 at buddies for a Black Widow Bite, pay the shipping fee of, i dont know, 10-15 dollars maybe, and you are at $145 total


BowlerKidR, the $135 at Buddies includes shipping, so there is no shipping cost.

Buddies will honor your Pin and TW request and will notify you if they can't.

The cost of drilling plus thumb slug and grips if required will vary from shop to shop and location to location. For example where I live, drilling plus grips and slug is $35 in one shop I use and $45 in another shop I use.

This would make my final cost for the ball plus drilling and grips and slug  $170 in one shop and $180 in the other vs your $199.95 plus tax (maybe $16 ???)
total $216???? This is a difference of $36 to $46 and not the $15 to $20 difference you quoted.

Now that being said, I am willing to pay $15 to $20 more to my pro shop vs buying on line but not $36 to $46 more. One of the two shops I use locally will do this with the other sticking to their asking price and the customer can take it or leave it.
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 08:59:07 AM »
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With that being said, you never know what you are actually going to get. Sometimes you can get exactly what you asked for, somethings it wont even be close to what you asked for. And these online pro shops might let you return the ball and replace it with a new one if the customer complained but they would make the customer pay the shipping fees.


I honestly don't think the KID was biased in either direction .. thought he covered it in few words and FAIRLY WELL!
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2008, 09:00:49 AM »
BRICK .. I also agree with you!
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2008, 09:03:07 AM »
Then, add this lil fact.  The ball you get thru a pro shop develops a crack and it unuseable.  Most proshops warranty their sales.  So, you take it back to the proshop and get a replacement most of the time paying for drilling but NOT the cost of the ball.  They deal with the distributor or manufactureer they purchased it from...you don't.

Now same thing happens with your on-line purchased ball.  Some will honor the replacement....some....most will not.  They did not drill it <was it drilled correctly, bridge to thin, pin to close to holes, bevel correct> and they won't replace the ball and you are stuck.  Or, if you can get a replacement you are out the cost of shipping back.

So, what is cheaper in the long run?




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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2008, 09:07:31 AM »
A good proshop operator will take you to the lanes and do you axis and rotation for you. If he doesn't you probably don't want to pay him. If people keep buying stuff online and only paying to have holes punched in balls all the good proshops will most likely become unprofitable and go away. Then what will be left?? Profit drives everything, if there is no profit the worthwhile shops will vanish!

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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2008, 09:11:35 AM »
This is really hurting the market since allot of these balls require you to drill them a certain way these days...  Like these new Track balls - The Raising - I want one really bad but after this conversation how can I trust the pin being placed in the correct position and etc...  


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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2008, 09:12:36 AM »
What would you say the CRACKED BALL ratio is? 1 in 10; 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? Just curious!
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2008, 09:19:47 AM »
Here it cost $75 to have a ball drilled with grips and slugs plus the balls are too expensive. I only buy online. Most of the time I just buy used stuff on here and that fills my arsenal. I have about 12 balls at my house and you know how many I bought new? TWO. One is a Nsane LevRG and the other is my White Dot, everything else I buy used most of the time. I might have bought 5 balls new since I been bowling and I wouldn't even say that many. Most times on here you can get some great deals for some great stuff. My most recent was a Twisted Fury for dirt cheap just about because it had a plugged thumb (which was drilled back into) and that thing is a great ball.

I've bought 2 NIB balls on ebay and always got my requested specs. There is a guy that sells MoRich stuff, I think his name on there is like prochuka or something like that and hes great.
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Re: Buying Balls Online vs ProShop
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2008, 09:21:10 AM »
Maybe its me but I have noticed that allot of these new balls are requireing the pin to be placed in a certain location and everything should be done by the direction instead of like before....

If they are requiring us to following the drill pattern provided shouldnt they make the balls only according the patterns provided...

Example balls - Kinetic, Raising, Black Widow, and etc...

Something has to be done...
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