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JOE FALCO

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Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« on: January 02, 2008, 07:45:00 AM »
I buy all of my bowling balls on-line. Recently there have been some posting on here that talked about EBONITE PRICE INCREASE .. seems from the discussion that the increase was to the DISTRIBUTORS and WILL NOT effect the bowlers. Well I just checked with one of the online site for prices .. let me tell you what I found:

Columbia Momentum .. $155.95
 col Resurgence  $155.95

Hammer No Mercy Beat'n  $161.95
 Ham .. No Mercy   $161.95

Ebonite Total NV  $159.95

When you add drilling costs it seems like Local Pro Shop prices to me. I'm so glad this change didn't effect the bowler .. perhaps it didn't effect the bowler who BUYS from Local Pro Shops ..

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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2008, 10:42:24 AM »
Joe: I don't know who is giving you inside information on my posting, but maybe they can tell you my post here was nothing you should be offended over. In fact, It wasn't directed at you personally in any way.

Chad: I think alot of it comes down to what Allstar Joe posted in the Ebonite forum (a great post in it's entirety, by the way):

 
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Many may ask why I would like to see the above situations addressed since
we sell online as well as having 5 retail shops? Simply because I believe
the online model of doing sales is flawed and broken and cannot continue to
survive on 5-8 points profit.  


Many of us see that the current system is unsustainable, and will do permanent damage to bowling as a whole. So from that standpoint, many of us care. We all want to save a buck, but not if it's short term only. That's where we're at.
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storm making it rain

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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2008, 10:46:09 AM »
THE PRICE OF A BOWLING BALL IS GOING TO HURT BOWLING?????  I THINK THERE ARE MORE REASONS BOWLING IS HURTING THAN THE PRICE OF THE BALL

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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2008, 11:05:12 AM »
Chad I don't care what you spend your money on but dont complain about the cost of descresanary items.

I dont buy starbucks but i dont here a lot of people complaining about the cost of there coffee either. You choose to spend it or not.

But my point still is most bowlers will see no price increase in there equipment.

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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2008, 12:44:25 PM »
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Joe, you say that like it's a bad thing. You buy 30 balls per year. I buy 2000. My distributor buy tens of thousnads. In what order do you think Ebonite cares about those purchase quantities? Hmm?


If the DISTRIBUTOR buys tens of thousands and you buy 2000 and I buy 30 it's quite obvious that Ebonite cares about the one that deals directly with them.

If the bowler doesn't buy EBONITE then you won't buy 2000 and the DISTRIBUTOR won't buy tens of thousands and Ebonite will see that they ARE BEING EFFECTED (or is it AFFECTED)! Maybe EBONITE is worried about the bowler's buying habits!

BOWLERS DON'T BUY EBONITE IN 2008

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REAL BOWLERS WHO BOWL FOR MONEY,  WILL BUY ANY BALL THAT WILL MAKE THEM MONEY.

RIGHT NOW THE PROUD FAMILY OF AMERICAN MADE EBONITE BALLS IS DOING JUST THAT.

MAKING REAL BOWLERS WHO BOWL FOR MONEY>>> MONEY!!!

AND GUESS WHAT, REAL BOWLERS WHO BOWL FOR MONEY AND MAKE MONEY, DO NOT CARE HOW LONG A BALL LAST!!!>>>> AS LONG AS IT PAYS FOR ITSELF MANY TIMES OVER IN WINNINGS!!!


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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2008, 12:46:23 PM »
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Joe I consider you a good friend of mine and I can't belive your taking this point.  My full time and only job is managing a proshop and last year (2007) was way down from 2006, my month of december was down $9000 by itself.  It was only going to get worse.  I have stayed out of this discussion and I will continue to stay out but they are doing what is right to help bowling and to help local shops.  I get the best price possible from my distributors and I can deal with more than one distributor and many times as its been said a ball could be purchased online cheaper than i can purchase it myself.  There is something wrong with that picture.  I am all for saving money but i am also for helping out my local business's.  Ebonite belives in proshops and thats how it should be.
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sir,  joe and his wallet, do not care about you or any other pro shop.
he feels that we are the reason he now may have to pay a little more for his balls!!!!

sad,  very sad.


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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2008, 01:04:30 PM »
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opps! Are we saying that not buying EBONITE is going to put local Pro Shops out of business? I didn't know that they were that strong.  No wonder they do what they do ..

It is already taking Pro Shops out.




THERE ARE THOSE WHO BOWL FOR MONEY, AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO BOWL.

RIGHT NOW IN HISTORY, EBONITE AND THEIR FAMILY OF BALLS ARE KNOW AS MONEY BALLS

AND MONEY BOWLERS BUY MONEY BALLS.

WHY, BEACUSE THEY MAKE MONEY!!!


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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2008, 01:45:48 PM »
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THERE ARE THOSE WHO BOWL FOR MONEY, AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO BOWL.

RIGHT NOW IN HISTORY, EBONITE AND THEIR FAMILY OF BALLS ARE KNOW AS MONEY BALLS

AND MONEY BOWLERS BUY MONEY BALLS.

WHY, BEACUSE THEY MAKE MONEY!!!
 


do those who just bowl need high end equipment on today's scoring conditions?  so what your saying is that storm and brunswick are not money balls, no one makes money with them? people who bowl for money only throw ebonite's family of balls??  hmmmmmm, sounds a little fishy to me

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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2008, 01:57:24 PM »
Bowling.com Prices:
Columbia Momentum .. $139.99
col Resurgence $134.99

Hammer No Mercy Beat'n $144.99
Ham .. No Mercy $144.99
Plus Hammer Black Widow Bite..$129.99
Hammer Black Widow and Black Widow Pearl $124.99

Ebonite Total NV $144.99
Eb NVS.. $144.99

Saves you about $10 bucks a ball!!!  Plus ask about Coupons!!!
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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2008, 02:00:22 PM »
Ya know I was just thinking, who cares what a ball costs as long as it's reasonable.  I mean I won't pay $300 for a bowling ball, but $150-$200...I am pretty confident in my bowling skills that I can and will win all that money back in jackpots, so basically buying a bowling ball is like giving the pro shop a loan  Except they don't have to pay it back, my bowling competition does...so we're all winners.  Plus when my shop keeps putting the right rock in my hands, I'll buy more.

Now if I had no skill and never won any money, then it might be different.
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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2008, 02:25:03 PM »
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Plus the 4.95 packaging fee. then a 10 off coupon. so really 5 off.
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Joe Falco ... Columbia Momentum 155.95


Bowling.com.. Columbia Momentum 134.99
Add Packaging Fee                 4.95
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                                139.94
Minus $10 coupon                 10.00
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TOTAL price @ Bowling.com       129.94

Thats $26.01 you save by going to Bowling.com.  I dont know if its just me, but thats a lot of money to save on just 1 ball !  

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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2008, 02:51:20 PM »
Joe Falco,

Sorry you've been spoiled the last few years, but you never should have gotten those low prices, in the first place. The only reason you did was because of a few short sighted distributors who were willing to screw over their long standing pro shops accounts in order to gain more sales through etailers. They get little profit from those sales to the etailers. But, the etailers helped them buy the quantities required for distributors, so they were stuck with them.

This is much like Walmart forcing lower prices on manufacturers. They have so much market share, they make unreasonable demands on the manufacturers and their profit structures. Manufacturers then cut costs, over and over, until kid's toys are made with harmful materials. Many Chinese manufacturers want nothing to do with Walmart, because those that deal will them are often price cut out of business.

Ebonite has the market share to do this, plain and simple. I suspect they own at least 75% of the bowling market, if not more. You don't have to buy Ebonite. Your 30 balls is meaningless in the grand scheme. There are some customers you can't make happy, and you're one in this case.

In reality, a miniscule number of bowlers read your views. You don't make a difference. You got a good deal for years. Be glad you got it at all.

Edited on 1/4/2008 3:54 PM

JOE FALCO

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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2008, 03:04:10 PM »
A quick question before we part .. HOW MANY ON-LINE SHOPS ARE THERE AND IS THERE ANY CONCERN FROM THE PRO SHOPS THAT THESE SHOPS WILL BE KNOCKED OUT OF BUSINESS BY THIS CHANGE?

I look at my acquired balls and think to myself .. I don't have to buy a ball for a while .. let the rest of these people worry about it .. I'm in pretty good shape .. so Ebonite knocks out the on-line shops and forces all bowlers to pay higher prices through other means .. really sounds like they did something GREAT for bowling .. now if they can only GET BOWLERS  .. they'll have it made!

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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2008, 03:07:23 PM »
Bushj311, I see you like MGBowling.com.  Thats good.  You should read my profile!  
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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2008, 03:20:04 PM »
So Joe I 5take it you feel it's fair that you who buys 30 balls a year can buy a ball cheaper than my shop which buys over 300 per year.People complain about what shops charge but they do because of online buyers so they can survive!
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Re: Cost Increase NOT effecting bowlers?
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2008, 03:34:04 PM »
Just curious, how do you lose money in the long run by charging $50 to drill a ball? I can't figure out the logic behind that statement. Enlighten me please.


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As a pro shop employee where we deal exclusively with Ebonite products, I am glad to see the changes.

Like someone else said, it seems wrong when I can get a ball for myself cheaper online than I can ordering it through my job.

Even when you charge $50 per ball to drill when the ball isn't purchased from you, you still lose money in the long run.

Sorry if you are affected by it.

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