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strikeking

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Crankers ruin condition
« on: January 21, 2012, 05:09:43 AM »
An argument to go back to hard plastic balls.  The other team had 4 super crankers. The first game was good for 9 frames and then their super high revs depleated the oil completely from 20 out to the ditch. It not only ruined the shot for the normal bowlers, but also for themselves.  The only type of shot not effected would be the "old timer" who throws a hard ball off of the corner straight to the hole.  HEY! I just found the solution!


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 01:20:52 PM »
The conditions will always be changing because of some reason or another. Who ever gets the highest score still wins.

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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 01:59:36 PM »
Every one knows conditions change, but this is so fast and radical that there is answer as to what ball or line you can choose.  It just doesn't seem fair that some bowlers can effect the way other bowlers have to change their game. It did not used to be this way before these "oil soaking" balls and hight rev power players.  It becomes a real problem when you have so many on one team.


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 02:06:52 PM »
you go to plastic and then you fight excessive carrydown. potato, pototo.


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 02:17:14 PM »
well, i dont have a high rev rate, about 300 rpm, i have very high ball speed at about 20-22 mph off hand, so i have to use a ton of surface and the depending on the ball i use i either push a bunch of oil down, or i soak it up, i guess people dont understand that no matter what you want to be as far left as you can be because especially on a house shot that gives you the most room for error, the guys that play really straight are just helping crankers out and even some tweeners by giving them some extra friction outside to bounce their ball off of. I mean sure a cranker with 500 rpms could play straight up using plastic to make it completely fair, but then everyone would complain about massive amounts of carrydown so its a lose lose no matter how you look at it.


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 02:31:20 PM »
The crankers do not ruin the condition, the balls ruin the condition.    They way the people play the game is not the problem, it's the balls that are used that create the holes in the pattern.
 
Most people who bowl today, hook the ball.   Thus your going to see many changes and transitions in the pattern.  The problems come from the wide variety of bowling balls that go down the lane by many different types of bowlers.
 
The THS allows all bowlers to play many different angles, with many different balls.   Your going to get a wide variety of transitions if  some guys are using Nano and Defiant, others are using Freezes and some people are using 15 year old balls.  
 
Take a good look at the balls on the rack and see where these balls are going down the lane.   The bowling ball is no longer defined as a universal ball for all styles like it used to be in the 80's,  Thus EVERYONE on the pair is doing their part to ruin the condition.  
 
You have crankers using Nano and stronger balls, you have straight players using same ball.  You have med handed players using Freezes on the same pair and you have some guys using weaker balls yet outside.   The wide variety of equipment makes the transitions much different these days.  
 
Very few people understand break point, and that at the end of the pattern we all are pretty much in the same spot. They think just because they be inside or outside of the cranker or other type player that their shot should hold up all night.  At some point all of our balls end up rolling over the same area on the lane, thus creating transitions. 
 
The days of everyone using a singular based cover stock strength is over.  (Urethane days where everyone used Hammers, U Dots or Nitros).   

 
 
 
Edited by Xx 12 X 300 xX on 1/21/2012 at 3:48 PM
 
Edited by Xx 12 X 300 xX on 1/21/2012 at 3:49 PM

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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 03:55:28 PM »
Is this a contest as to who can post the largest print??


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 04:17:42 PM »
I don't think guys with no hand throwing grit hook monsters up the right side of the lane helps the conditions either. Neither do guys that try to hook the ball using grit monsters spraying across the lane.
 
Many of todays bowling balls used by any group of bowlers will break down a line or an area very quickly, regardless of rev rate. I'm not a high rev player, but I do understand the need to adjust based on what grit monsters are being played where.  That is bowling today. Bowlers are sold on "a ball for todays new oils" and because of this and everyones fascination with trying to be a big hooking player your problem will continue to exist.
 
Less oil for them all. 


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 04:37:41 PM »

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kidlost2000 wrote on 1/21/2012 5:17 PM:
I don't think guys with no hand throwing grit hook monsters up the right side of the lane helps the conditions either. Neither do guys that try to hook the ball using grit monsters spraying across the lane.
 
Many of todays bowling balls used by any group of bowlers will break down a line or an area very quickly, regardless of rev rate. I'm not a high rev player, but I do understand the need to adjust based on what grit monsters are being played where.  That is bowling today. Bowlers are sold on "a ball for todays new oils" and because of this and everyones fascination with trying to be a big hooking player your problem will continue to exist.
 
Less oil for them all. 


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2012, 04:49:14 PM »
There is a difference between a stroker and a cranker burning up the lane. A stroker may have 4 or 5 oil rings, but a cranker can have 10 or more. Thus twice as much oil on the ball or being thrown off the the same ball.


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2012, 05:13:36 PM »

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kidlost2000 wrote on 1/21/2012 5:17 PM:
I don't think guys with no hand throwing grit hook monsters up the right side of the lane helps the conditions either. Neither do guys that try to hook the ball using grit monsters spraying across the lane.

 

Many of todays bowling balls used by any group of bowlers will break down a line or an area very quickly, regardless of rev rate. I'm not a high rev player, but I do understand the need to adjust based on what grit monsters are being played where.  That is bowling today. Bowlers are sold on "a ball for todays new oils" and because of this and everyones fascination with trying to be a big hooking player your problem will continue to exist.

 

Less oil for them all. 



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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 05:21:13 PM »
Adjust.  People have done this within the game for decades.

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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 02:04:28 PM »
Adjust like 230 n up said. You have some choices to combat what the Crankers do.

 

You can move right with a weaker ball staying right of their BP longer, You can move left with them just not as much with a weaker ball focusing on getting the ball farther down lane before it hooks.

 

Or if you want to screw with the crankers shot you could pull urethane or plastic out and go up the track and push all the oil down so it is tougher for them to get oil off the lane.



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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 04:35:17 PM »
I would have no problem with going to urethane or plastic,hell I use them most times anyways. You need to plan an arsenal for league these days and what will give you the best options to score,be it oil soaker,urethane and or plastic. I wish someone would make a plastic particle,think about it.


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Re: Crankers ruin condition
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 05:28:51 AM »
Who is to say who is normal.  A "cranker" may think the stroker is abnormal. 

 

 


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