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earlthepearle

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Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« on: November 16, 2006, 12:29:41 AM »

  Ive ask this question many times to my bowling colleagues...Many of them are shorter the I am....(6'3")....and they are very good I might add...My theory is this...it seems shorter players dont have to use as much physical strength as taller bowlers. They are closer to the foul line at the point of release, they dont have to bend as much, therefore creating a more natural and smoother roll. I watch Walter Ray a lot.... He and I are about the same height....long arms and legs. Have you ever noticed all the the things he goes thru just to get his ball down the lane? The shorter bowlers take this advantage for granted. As for the taller bowlers...have you ever noticed it? or thought about it?...just want to get some perspective.......Earl

 

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 08:44:02 AM »
CJ....I would love to see that video...I really believe some people dont notice it, but i really believe the shorter bowlers have a distinct advantage....They should make a new rule. If you are 6'2" and over...you should be eligable for extra handicap..... LOL!!!

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 09:02:35 AM »
There are certain aspects of bowling where the shorter bowler does have an advantage, and others where a taller bowlers can exploit his or her strengths.
Also, not saying this holds true, another issue, hand size as it pertains to the span.  

Several generalizations for the vast majority of bowlers that I have noticed throughout the years and different bowling eras.

Shorter bowlers:
Have an easier job of keeping their timing.  If shorter bowler has small hand, they can stay behind better and generally have an excellent clean release (ie smaller thumb) and not as susceptible to pull... turning the hand in early. They are closer to the ground and point of release. Everything is usually pretty compact, helps with foot to leverage position.

Taller bowlers: Has an easier time generating speed and loft. If they have a medium to larger span, they can easily generate side rotation and great lift.  With the proper timing and height leverage, can be an explosive release.  

Of course there are styles, that might be considered unorthodox, that don't even come close to making these generalizations true.  Marshall Holman and Norm Duke come to mind; even WRW; question any sort of such generalizations or moldy conventional ideas.









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earlthepearle

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 09:06:30 AM »

Nice theory....but if your short with a lot of hand....that makes you VERY dangerous too....Look at Tommy Lee

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 09:22:30 AM »
Tommy Lee has much MORE than a lot of hand, well he is a Rock Star status drummer after all.    Dr. Jones I presume....



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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 09:29:02 AM »
Bill Taylor has done a lot of evaluation of this aspect of bowling(along with MAgic Carpet from this site).

It was Bill's theory (as I remeber it right) that bowlers with long legs and short upper bodies and wide shoulders and narrow hips had the ideal body for bowling.  The prototype styles of Dave Davis, Parker Bohn, and Shannon Phuwoshsky...come to mind.

However various differences of leg length to upper body length lead to different numbers of steps and strategies according to Bill that while bowling apply to your body type.

Magic Carpet can talk at length about these subjects and may have posts on his site regrding this aspect!

As to height being a detriment...I never thought Steve Cook at 6 foot 7 ever looked too bad!

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 09:39:59 AM »
All great points LL.  One can be Tall but short, and short but Tall depending on what we are measuring.  I readily see that proportions come into play and might be an even bigger factor.

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2006, 09:43:00 AM »

Nice Lucky....Im not familiar with Steve Cook....at 6'7" ..that is really  something...Ive never heard of anyone talking about this theory... As for as writing a book about it. I would love to know more about this....it is really of interest to me.

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2006, 09:44:51 AM »

 And also....yeah I meant Tommy Jones...hehehehe. I would assume Tommy Lee has a lot of Hand.....According to Pam.....LOL!!!!

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2006, 09:57:21 AM »
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I would assume Tommy Lee has a lot of Hand.....According to Pam.....LOL!!!!


Perhaps you mean "a lot in hand".  

Regarding height as a natural advantage or disadvantage, like all sports, you can only use what you have.  One develops one's own unique game around their body and physical attributes.  Bowlers like Mika who learn to incorporate their height into their game have just as much advantage as if a shorter bowler like Butch Soper or Bill O'Neill successfully incorporates their lack of height into their games.  When the conditions are such that being exceptionally tall or short is a disadvantage, great players know how to compensate for it.

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2006, 10:10:10 AM »

I think your right on Shelley....only thing is...as a tall bowler, the only advantage I may have is my longer arms...that`s it..you have to work on your timing as a tall bowler..trust me

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2006, 12:01:42 PM »
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Nice Lucky....Im not familiar with Steve Cook....at 6'7" ..that is really  something...Ive never heard of anyone talking about this theory... As for as writing a book about it. I would love to know more about this....it is really of interest to me.


Cook was HUGE. He must have been 6'7", 300+ lbs. When he picked up the ball, it looked like a marble in his hand. Man, could he generate revs, too.
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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2006, 12:17:26 PM »
Kegler X said pretty much everything I have to offer on this.  Short folks  just have less to go wrong in their swing and approach I think, so they are less likely to have timing problems.  But us taller guys, when we do have our timing together, can generate more leverage at release.  I've talked about this a lot with a golfer friend and we've come to the conclusion that what goes for bowling also is likely true for golf.
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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2006, 12:37:45 PM »

I agree Ragnar....I dont Golf, but I have friends that do, and bowl also. They say the angles are the same.....Just that golf has nature related issues...wind, temperature, ect..There are so many bowlers on my league that are under 5'9". It just seems to me it`s like riding a bicycle for them. Their balance seems better....and control better. I have to always think about my balance....as a tall bowler you are subject to drift at any time. We definitely have to compensate in other areas to be affective.

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Re: Do shorter bowlers have an advantage?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2006, 12:41:31 PM »
I think that bowlers at 6' or a little less have s certain advantage. If you are taller, the space on the approach can feel a bit inconvinient, and I also think that your general physique has quite an impact on your playing potential.
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