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Gizmo823

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Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« on: April 23, 2014, 02:35:43 PM »
So we got paid out last night in our mostly high average competitive scratch league.  14 teams, 3 member, 20 dollar a night, only 7.50 out of that is lineage.  We have a nightly 3 game Eliminator, we also have random match play and a match play standings list.  Teams get paid by position and individuals for match play position per third, and for overall Eliminator take.  My team was in 2nd the entire year, it's a 30 point per night system, and overall we took 703 points on the year out of a possible 990.  In years past, teams got paid for total points, but apparently that's not how it works anymore.  Out of 42 people, I finished 4th, 9th and 4th in the match play standings, did well in the Eliminator, split the hi 10 hi 30 pot, got 2nd place hi 10 for team, had the 4th high average in the league, and I got a grand total of 525 bucks back (total league fees for the year was 660) . . 

Now to put this in perspective, the team that was in first the entire year, took nearly 800 points on the year, I made more than 2 of them.  The top guy on their team who reset our house average record at 240 didn't even break even on the year.  The difference between being in 1st and 14th?  30 per person per third.  The difference between being 1st and 42nd in the match play standings?  31 per third. 

To put this in more perspective, I had a bad year last year.  Not terrible, but it wasn't good at all.  Our team finished 8th out of 11 teams, did ok in the Eliminator, finished around the 20 spot in the match play standings every third, and I took home 450. 

More perspective.  My wife ended up bowling on a team at the last minute because they needed somebody.  Their team finished dead last every third, took only 180 points on the year, she made exactly 20 bucks on the eliminator for the year, and finished either last or next to last in the match play standings every third and her envelope contained 250. 

Now don't get me wrong, I'm happy she got a decent chunk of change back . . and I got more out of the prize fund than I paid into it, but not by much.  Matter of fact, overall I had the 4th highest payday in the league, but the 2 directly ahead of me were only ahead of me by a few bucks apiece. 

This seems to me to be absolutely ridiculous.  If you're in a handicap league, cool, spread the wealth, it's supposed to be just for fun.  But when you're in a high average competitive scratch league with a dress code and 2 lane courtesy written into the league rules, fines for unbecoming or unsportsmanlike conduct or not meeting the dress code, and very strict sub and absentee rules, how does this all add up to a spread the wealth payout?  Where's the incentive to bowl well?  I put in way too much effort and lost way too much sleep just to lose 150 bucks on the year.  Because of this, instead of my team returning next year, both my teammates changed their minds, because they only got back about 425 apiece.  One works an hour drive away, and the other works from 5am-9pm 4 days out of the week.  The league starts at 9pm and is usually over around 1130pm.  We put the team together with the expectation of winning money or at least breaking even. 

The tournament I bowled Sunday?  43 entrants, 75 dollar entry fee.  Got second, walked out with 470, that's tournament payout alone, didn't include any side action.  This league?  42 bowlers, 660 dollar "entry" over 9 MONTHS, 525.  What am I missing here?  Yes I realize tournaments are different, but come on . . 
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Gizmo823

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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2014, 01:32:42 PM »
I didn't say I wanted extras, I said that's what they were there for.  And I've seen guys walk out of there with 700 bucks that were on 3rd or 4th place teams, so I'm not sure how I'm being unrealistic.  It's happened before with a lot fewer teams. 

You want 700 for finishing second and you still want extras to pay good bowlers on bad teams while paying 20 a week.  You are just unrealistic.  If you want to give the good bowlers on bad teams to be able to make money run a singles league within the league.  Otherwise you are diluting the prize fund too much.
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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2014, 01:36:44 PM »
Fair enough.

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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2014, 01:53:54 PM »
I would have no problems saying the same things to your face as I type here.  The difference is you can't type with any tone so a lot of things come across a lot harsher when they are just written words. 

Cause in person I would have gotten a hundy out of my pocket and told you to quit bitchin' cause if your dumb enough to travel to another city and not get home until after midnight to bowl league I don't want to hear about it.

I guess there are a lot more guys averaging 250 than I ever would have guessed and I know of about a handful.

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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2014, 02:10:01 PM »
Leagues are not for making money leagues are for entertainment. You should know out of the gate how the prize fund will be distributed no questions asked. It should be voted on and a break down should be provided at the banquet.

Even you want to make money bowl tournaments

250 average...I don't brag a league average unless it is on Sport Conditions. And before everyone asks what I average it is not 250. It is less than that.
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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2014, 02:22:36 PM »
So how do you make something better without pointing out and debating the flaws?  Just because I complain a lot here doesn't mean I do it in person.  This is an internet forum . . I do all my arguing and debating and get all kinds of information from a lot of people a lot more experienced than I am here, then I apply that elsewhere.  I can't imagine all you guys are the same way here as you are in person. 


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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2014, 03:00:33 PM »
Sigh . . it was other teams that come from out of town . . so actually they get to bed later than I do.  But then again, they expected the money at the top to be better, as did we all.  I travel to THEIR city to bowl on Thursday evenings, but I'm home well before midnight, it's a better, bigger league with more money . . so I'm considering bowling just that league next year.  But when you're as involved as I am with local bowling, not bowling a league in your own city looks kinda bad. 

I would have no problems saying the same things to your face as I type here.  The difference is you can't type with any tone so a lot of things come across a lot harsher when they are just written words. 

Cause in person I would have gotten a hundy out of my pocket and told you to quit bitchin' cause if your dumb enough to travel to another city and not get home until after midnight to bowl league I don't want to hear about it.

I guess there are a lot more guys averaging 250 than I ever would have guessed and I know of about a handful.
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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2014, 03:03:00 PM »
Yeah I'm going to know exactly what the money looks like before I even sign up next year. 

I do bowl tournaments, pretty successful I might add . . here's hoping for good bracket draws at nationals next weekend. 

Leagues are not for making money leagues are for entertainment. You should know out of the gate how the prize fund will be distributed no questions asked. It should be voted on and a break down should be provided at the banquet.

Even you want to make money bowl tournaments

250 average...I don't brag a league average unless it is on Sport Conditions. And before everyone asks what I average it is not 250. It is less than that.
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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2014, 03:05:01 PM »
I wouldn't say I'm exactly opposite how I post here, but customers describe me as patient, helpful, interested, and friendly . . but I can be that way for them because of everyone here. 

So how do you make something better without pointing out and debating the flaws?  Just because I complain a lot here doesn't mean I do it in person.  This is an internet forum . . I do all my arguing and debating and get all kinds of information from a lot of people a lot more experienced than I am here, then I apply that elsewhere.  I can't imagine all you guys are the same way here as you are in person. 


I am a foul-mouthed, hot-tempered, mean-spirited person in real life.  I balance that out by my behavior on this site as I imagine most others do.
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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2014, 04:11:53 PM »
one thing ive noticed that u pointed out is that u never got to see a prize list
and that too is the case in all my leagues where i live. it used to be that u got see a prize list and to that point usually see 3 proposals and the league members got to vote on wich was their preference. I sure wish this would come into play again. i dont like not seeing where every dime goes , and even though i trust the secretary of our leagues to me it makes it easier to hide something if something were to go wrong.  SO in that way leagues of today are flawed but mostly bowlers way of thinking are flawed . its like they wanna just show up and bowl and make the same as everyone else. just my 2 cents.
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Re: Give me some perspective (pissed again, of course)
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2014, 11:56:38 PM »
I am a foul-mouthed, hot-tempered, mean-spirited person in real life.  I balance that out by my behavior on this site as I imagine most others do.

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