Hey,  I was just wondering why people often say that it's bad to put a pin under the fingers if you have a high track.  I track quite high, and I had my Special Agent with the pin under ring.  It rolled very nicely.  Granted, it a had a very weird track flare on the ball, but still rolled very nice.  Any input is appreciated.  Thanks,

Zach
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This layout, for a high tracker, can possibly cause a track to roll up over the middle finger, thumb, or even all the way over the ring finger in some cases.

A prime example is the Total Inferno. I track high as it is, and I drilled a Total with pin directly under the ring finger, which causes the ball to roll over the thumbhole. That being said: the ball reaction I was looking for with this ball could not have been attained as well with a different layout, so it's not always 100% necessary to follow the specific instructions of a ball manufacturer. Don't be afraid to toy with layouts, because a ball rolling over the thumb or not will be less difference in carry (in some cases) than the ball hooking 2-4 feet further down the lane because the ball driller used a different layout than the perfect one for the desired ball motion.
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I am a righty, with a high rev rate (400-500 rpm) and semi-high speed (16-17 mph). Book average is 202, and I consider myself one of the most versatile bowlers I know I can play a stroker, tweener, or cranker line, depending on what the shot calls for.

For a game based on the principles of science and math, bowling sure does have a bad habit of being illogical.

I've got a high track, and I've got balls which are both pin up and pin under. The majority of my equipment is pin high but I can bowl well with either one or the other, depending on the lanes.

I think that the location of the track appears to be less important in deciding the pin high/low than the combination of the bowlers revs/speed and the nature of the ball to be drilled. Most of my stuff is pin up because I used to be a little rev dominant. Now I'm a little more balanced, the high, long pins give me a nice even reaction, with nothing too extravagant.
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Reporting from England

The balance hole is a very important part of the Rico layout.  It is located 6 3/4" from the pin on a line through the cg (or mb for an asymmetric ball).  That puts the large balance hole in the positive thumb quadrant, which raises the bowtie enough that most customers don't hit the finger holes.  Still, if your track is VERY high and/or inverted, I would recommend staying away from Rico.  --  JohnP

well funny thing (lot's of funny things lately)

I am getting a ball with a short pin drilled tomorrow... pin under ring is the plan.

But I am not a high tracker anymore. but my track has moved 1" away from the old one... but I can throw it like in the old days

I call it "stroke" it

Let's see if it clips the fingers but I don't think so
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Sebastian Koch
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