Author Topic: I need Skid/Flip (Read 4405 times)

keeones23 · « **on:** January 16, 2009, 07:32:56 AM »

I'm looking for a heavy oil skid flip ball. My cell is strong but smooth I

want something strong throughout the lane and violent on the back. I was

looking into the virtual gravity, and before I just went and grabbed it I

wanted to post here to see if there is anything that deserves a look. I throw

between 15-16mph med revs and I track kinda high. I have most of my stats in

my profile. Any recommendations?

revTrex · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2009, 01:17:20 PM »

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Hey rev, easy there fella. I'm working on my game, and I also play straight quite often. When I said "strong throughout..." nice-midlane read and strong continuous is like the same to me. What i'm trying to do is get a ball right under the cell, I have an acid and it's archy as well. I have the ogre ss and I like it where it's at really long and snappy, it's too long to bring out after the cell. I want a med-heavy skid/flip or more angular than the cell. Heck I might be able to play that straighter angle you mentioned with it. Sorry if I offended you.

Dude, you didn't offend me in any way -- I'm just trying to tell you that you won't be able to get a true skid-flip reaction on heavier, longer volumes, and that you'd be better served with something that gives you some mid-lane roll, etc. The Virtual Gravity is more angular than the Cell. I'm not arguing that... it's just the precision of your description in your initial request that I'm questioning.

Hope this helps... and that you understand where I'm coming from.
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bowlerlee · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2009, 01:25:36 PM »

Most all of Track's stuff is skid/flip. My game isn't that much different than what you describe (just slower).

For me the Kinetic Pearl goes down the lane without over-reading the mid-lane and then makes its turn. You can talk to your pro shop, or contact a regional rep. from Track, they should be able to make some good suggestions.

The question that I would have is whether you really mean that you want the ball to read the mid-lane (my interpretation of "strong")? It sounds like that is what your Cell is doing already.

The idea behind skid/flip, as I understand it, is to avoid the mid-lane read as much as possible and therefore avoid yet another variable.

Somebody else can weigh in on this if they would like.

Good luck on your search.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2009, 01:26:47 PM »

Look at the Power Swing, Hot Sauce, Rising SE, and Wildride. All those balls are higher end pearls that are designed to give what you are looking for. Also, I sent you a message.
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tvphotog · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2009, 01:29:19 PM »

Black Widow Bite, I use it for the same issue.
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keeones23 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2009, 01:45:41 PM »

Ok I can see that I didn't give the best desrcription possible and I apologize for the confusion. You guys are right and your advice is well taken. Our pattern is oiled to 38ft and buffed to 41ft, that's the oil i'm talking about. My cell has a very good mid-lane read and nice backend, I just want something that could be like the cell but more angular. My thoughts were that this would come from a skid flip ball. Now I see where your guys' concerns come from, that being my failure to lay out all the facts.

p.s that's why I posted here, because I know that I don't know everything and someone out there could better recommend a ball that might work better. I got just that, or at least an inkling of what could.

Thanks everyone!

Edited on 1/17/2009 2:48 PM

SVstar34 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2009, 03:04:31 PM »

maybe a Rising S.E.
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Oskuposer · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2009, 03:09:53 PM »

That new dimension pearl looks pretty interesting
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abrown · « **Reply #23 on:** January 17, 2009, 03:16:32 PM »

from what i've seen from myself and others if you got good amount of rev then the virtual will be a great ball for what ya want if you lack the revs it seems to want to go a few feet to far before it makes it's move to the pocket. I drilled one up for a older guy who throws it pretty hard with little or know hand and drilled it stacked 4x4 and had to end up taking it down to 1000 before it would read the lanes early enough for him me i had to polish mine do to it making to strong of a move

golfnutFL · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2009, 03:39:55 PM »

"be like the cell but more angular" I'm not sure that you could have described the Cell Pearl any better than that! I think that you've answered your own question!

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My cell has a very good mid-lane read and nice backend, I just want something that could be like the cell but more angular.

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revTrex · « **Reply #25 on:** January 17, 2009, 04:24:10 PM »

There are several very good products that fit your new description:

1) Lanemasters Black Pearl Reactive - a very strong backend motion that picks up just enough to still turn the corner on almost anything. Hit is vintage Lanemasters.

2) Roto Grip Cell Pearl - in most cases, it'll cover as many boards as the Cell (it's one STRONG pearl), but it should be longer and stronger off friction.

3) Storm Gravity Shift - not as strong as the Roto Grip Cell Pearl (by 1-4 boards, depending on surface prep, drilling, etc.), but definitely very angular. It's stronger than you Ogre SS, too, so it could be a ball that fits nicely in your arsenal and doesn't leave as much of a defined gap.

4) 900 Global Break Pearl - one of the most angular pearls on the market... 'nuff said.
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toomanytenpins · « **Reply #26 on:** January 17, 2009, 09:31:06 PM »

vg,wise decision
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dursty · « **Reply #27 on:** January 18, 2009, 06:04:25 PM »

I think if you for more angular look down the lane I would take the cell pearl off the list. For what I've seen, and the one that I drilled up it's more of a strong arc type reaction pearl. The coverstock has the highest RA numbers of any ball on the market which by that nature is going to make read the mids a little and arc on the back. If your getting a cell to 'flip' on the back, you can probably get more flip out of other balls on the same pattern. The playmaker for a symmetric is very very angular on the back it just seems to generate more angle than a lot of the current releases (on a pattern that will allow the ball to react of course). The downside is that from watching various people use that ball though it can be a little uncontrollable at times for that very reason. It's not a heavy oil ball though which is what your looking for. A Virtual Gravity will give you more angle downlane, especially on a pattern with more volume up front for sure. Being asymmetrical when it see's friction it will be more violent and not as continuous as say a storm dimension which would be earlier and smoother. I wish it wasn't such a ugly ball though, LOL.

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keeones23 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 18, 2009, 06:25:52 PM »

To all those that have suggested the cell pearl, I was right there with you in thinking that it would be what I was looking for so I bought one. With the same drilling I got a ball that went long for sure but it was smooth. My grand Illusion had more backend than it did. The guy I sold it to said the same thing. People have suggested the up rising to me and it sounds good, and then I looked into the original rising and that looks like what the doctor ordered. So for anybody that has thrown both how different are the looks?

Ceo of DcYg bowling club · « **Reply #29 on:** January 18, 2009, 10:18:22 PM »

Hammer Cherry Vibe or Track Up Rising.

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golfnutFL · « **Reply #30 on:** January 19, 2009, 12:13:03 AM »

Your Grand Illusion had more backend?

Drilled the same as the GI, it is just not possible that the Cell Pearl was weaker in the backend, unless the lanes were dryer. Not unless the lanes were toast. The CP, on a med-med heavy condition, is VERY strong on the backend. The GI needs true mediums to shine.

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To all those that have suggested the cell pearl, I was right there with you in thinking that it would be what I was looking for so I bought one. With the same drilling I got a ball that went long for sure but it was smooth. My grand Illusion had more backend than it did. The guy I sold it to said the same thing. People have suggested the up rising to me and it sounds good, and then I looked into the original rising and that looks like what the doctor ordered. So for anybody that has thrown both how different are the looks?

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