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I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« on: October 25, 2016, 04:09:37 PM »
I was looking for a list of coaches in my area, just being curious to who they are.

Then I found this....

http://bowl.com/TheCore/Info/


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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #91 on: October 31, 2016, 12:27:36 PM »


 
The only organization that can have a practical positive impact on league membership is the BPAA. Why? Because their member business survival is at stake. They need the guaranteed income stream from leagues to pay the bills.
 


Make no mistake, the days of "leagues pay the bills and open play is profit" are on their way out, if they're not past already.  This is why centers put increasing emphasis on birthday parties and cosmic bowling, and why new centers are often "family fun centers" instead of just bowling.  This is also why Bowlmor has adopted their current business model.

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #92 on: October 31, 2016, 12:37:47 PM »
I have a family member on the Board of Directors of our local USBC association.  The board works very hard behind the scenes on issues such as local association achievement awards, planning for (and organizing) the State tournament (which is in our association for 2017), as well as reviewing protests, planning for attending national meetings, and other concerns that are brought before them.

Participation in sanctioned bowling is not directly controllable by the USBC.  They cannot wake up one day, set a goal of 10,000 additional members for the month, and make it happen.  The drop in league participation is more of a sociological issue more than anything else.  Family priorities, job obligations, health issues, general time constraints.  All things out of the control of the USBC.  If people do not have the time or money to bowl, the USBC cannot fix that.  If people have illnesses or physical challenges that prevent them from being able to bowl, the USBC cannot fix that.  If people have work obligations that prevent them from being able to make it to a weekly league, the USBC cannot fix that.

There are some people that have always had bowling in their lives, and will continue to make bowling a part of their lives.  My family and I have been continual USBC members for the past 22 years.  There have been times where we have contemplated walking away.  You may get into an extended slump.  There may be stretches of weeks where you never feel like you have the "right ball" with you.  There may be personality conflicts with other league bowlers that eliminate any joy in being at the lanes.  But, ultimately, we always go back because we have been participating for over 2 decades and it gives us something to do as a family and we have numerous friends at the lanes.

The major thing you have to ask yourself is "what is the USBC not doing today that I wish they were doing?"  As the governing body of the sport, they are doing what they are supposed to.  They are establishing and maintaining the rules of the game.  They are setting guidelines for equipment manufacturers to create consistency and to prevent unfair advantages.  They maintain an awards system to acknowledge superior achievement by their members.  They sponsor and arrange national tournaments.  They sponsor and support events at the professional level.  They negotiate discounts for their members with other companies for travel, lodging, and other types of services to make getting to the national events a little easier.  There are many things they do in the interest of the members.  Whether or not people see value in those things is a personal opinion.

Is there truly any value in giving members a patch for every 250 game bowled?  Every 700 series?  Every 800 series?  Every Dutch 200? A plaque for every 11 in a row?  A ring for every 298/299/300 game?  Realistically, what is someone going to do with 100 250-game patches over the course of their bowling career?  What need does a high average bowler have for 30+ 300 rings?  Acknowledging these things on a "once in a lifetime" basis with a single free ring is much more meaningful than showering someone with dozens of rings.  If people want their dozens of rings after that, they can buy them.

Each year I pay my sanction fee and bowl knowing they are there if I have a question about the rules or league issues.  They maintain a record of my average and my accomplishments.  I have never looked at them as an organization responsible for adding more members.

If bowling is going to grow, the USBC and the proprietors needs to adjust with the times.  League seasons need to be shorter.  League sessions need to go faster (3-4 hours for 5 man team bowling is, quite frankly, ridiculous.)  Many people simply cannot devote this kind of time to bowling in the 21st century.  Younger adults usually can, but as people get older their disposable free time goes away until they retire (and then they have much more time for multiple leagues and the time associated.)  There needs to be more careful monitoring of averages to make tournaments and leagues more fair for bowlers of all skill levels.  There need to be more opportunities for tournaments both regionally and nationally.  There needs to be better training for league officers and proprietors on how to handle rule related infractions.  There needs to be better enforcement of the rules they work so hard to establish for their members.  Sometimes there is a definite Wild West mentality on some leagues and that shouldn't be the case.  Bowling in a USBC sanctioned league should be a 99% similar experience regardless of where you bowl.  Consistency is key. 

There is no perfect organization.  The USBC included.  But, they are all we have and we need to work with them to help them achieve their mission.

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #93 on: October 31, 2016, 12:47:22 PM »

Make no mistake, the days of "leagues pay the bills and open play is profit" are on their way out, if they're not past already.  This is why centers put increasing emphasis on birthday parties and cosmic bowling, and why new centers are often "family fun centers" instead of just bowling.  This is also why Bowlmor has adopted their current business model.

 
True, to a certain degree. But it will be a long time before most centers can live without leagues.
 
Birthday parties and cosmic bowling are great for certain time slots on weekends, but that's about it. The "family fun centers" that are having success are in higher income large population areas, but those are in the minority.
 
The big profits are in mixed handicap leagues where there are 4-5 people on a team throughout most of the house, and alcohol sales keep the cash register singing. The better run centers I bowl in don't seem to have problems keeping 3-4 of those kinds of leagues going strong. Add in a few Senior leagues, Women's leagues, and if the house is lucky, a serious competitive league, and you have icing on the cake. That's dependable income.   

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #94 on: October 31, 2016, 12:48:27 PM »
I found a better deal!  I call it the Shell Club.  Our motto is "your game is nothing without a shell".  The annual membership includes:

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #95 on: October 31, 2016, 03:37:15 PM »
USBC events:

  • Junior Gold - 2005 had 1,425 participants / 2016 had 3,292 participants
  • Team USA - 2008 had 103 participants / 2016 had 284 participants
  • High School Bowling is growing
  • Collegiate Bowling is growing and has been NCAA for women since 2004
  • Participation in women's events have increased (at least to the point of capacity, most events are capped and have been because of logistics)

I agree the level of participation in the national tournaments is down.  A lot of that does fall on USBC for not keeping the interest in the events as bowlers age.  A lot of older people participate, but those under 50 have declined probably the most.

But the growth in youth bowling is exactly what USBC has been trying to get.  More youth are participating in bowling in a more competitive environment than ever before.  There may be fewer members, but you have lost a lot of the league members who parents used youth bowling as a day care.



Youth membership is not growing...please check your facts.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #96 on: October 31, 2016, 03:55:32 PM »
I have a family member on the Board of Directors of our local USBC association.  The board works very hard behind the scenes on issues such as local association achievement awards, planning for (and organizing) the State tournament (which is in our association for 2017), as well as reviewing protests, planning for attending national meetings, and other concerns that are brought before them.

Participation in sanctioned bowling is not directly controllable by the USBC.  They cannot wake up one day, set a goal of 10,000 additional members for the month, and make it happen.  The drop in league participation is more of a sociological issue more than anything else.  Family priorities, job obligations, health issues, general time constraints.  All things out of the control of the USBC.  If people do not have the time or money to bowl, the USBC cannot fix that.  If people have illnesses or physical challenges that prevent them from being able to bowl, the USBC cannot fix that.  If people have work obligations that prevent them from being able to make it to a weekly league, the USBC cannot fix that.

There are some people that have always had bowling in their lives, and will continue to make bowling a part of their lives.  My family and I have been continual USBC members for the past 22 years.  There have been times where we have contemplated walking away.  You may get into an extended slump.  There may be stretches of weeks where you never feel like you have the "right ball" with you.  There may be personality conflicts with other league bowlers that eliminate any joy in being at the lanes.  But, ultimately, we always go back because we have been participating for over 2 decades and it gives us something to do as a family and we have numerous friends at the lanes.

The major thing you have to ask yourself is "what is the USBC not doing today that I wish they were doing?"  As the governing body of the sport, they are doing what they are supposed to.  They are establishing and maintaining the rules of the game.  They are setting guidelines for equipment manufacturers to create consistency and to prevent unfair advantages.  They maintain an awards system to acknowledge superior achievement by their members.  They sponsor and arrange national tournaments.  They sponsor and support events at the professional level.  They negotiate discounts for their members with other companies for travel, lodging, and other types of services to make getting to the national events a little easier.  There are many things they do in the interest of the members.  Whether or not people see value in those things is a personal opinion.

Is there truly any value in giving members a patch for every 250 game bowled?  Every 700 series?  Every 800 series?  Every Dutch 200? A plaque for every 11 in a row?  A ring for every 298/299/300 game?  Realistically, what is someone going to do with 100 250-game patches over the course of their bowling career?  What need does a high average bowler have for 30+ 300 rings?  Acknowledging these things on a "once in a lifetime" basis with a single free ring is much more meaningful than showering someone with dozens of rings.  If people want their dozens of rings after that, they can buy them.

Each year I pay my sanction fee and bowl knowing they are there if I have a question about the rules or league issues.  They maintain a record of my average and my accomplishments.  I have never looked at them as an organization responsible for adding more members.

If bowling is going to grow, the USBC and the proprietors needs to adjust with the times.  League seasons need to be shorter.  League sessions need to go faster (3-4 hours for 5 man team bowling is, quite frankly, ridiculous.)  Many people simply cannot devote this kind of time to bowling in the 21st century.  Younger adults usually can, but as people get older their disposable free time goes away until they retire (and then they have much more time for multiple leagues and the time associated.)  There needs to be more careful monitoring of averages to make tournaments and leagues more fair for bowlers of all skill levels.  There need to be more opportunities for tournaments both regionally and nationally.  There needs to be better training for league officers and proprietors on how to handle rule related infractions.  There needs to be better enforcement of the rules they work so hard to establish for their members.  Sometimes there is a definite Wild West mentality on some leagues and that shouldn't be the case.  Bowling in a USBC sanctioned league should be a 99% similar experience regardless of where you bowl.  Consistency is key. 

There is no perfect organization.  The USBC included.  But, they are all we have and we need to work with them to help them achieve their mission.

This isn't about awards...I don't think anyone has brought that up other than the people backing the USBC's position.

This isn't about whether the USBC controls participation, it's about what they are doing to improve participation. Seems like the governing body has a vested interest in organized participation or there would be no need for the governing body...which is where we are headed.

There is no integrity in the game when you have two PBA major champions bowling the World Youth Championships...and they wonder why bowling isn't in the Olympics.

And finally, the board of directors is completely ineffective looking at the results of the past three decades. In fact, the current model shields those at the highest levels from accountability when we all know who runs the board. If they want the board to have an opinion, it's given to them and if the program doesn't work, they can't hold a volunteer board accountable for the failed direction of the USBC. The model is broken and has been for a very long time while people like you defend the status quo and the game continues to decline.

#AFutureForMembership #WhoDoesUSBCWorkFor

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #97 on: October 31, 2016, 04:20:59 PM »
USBC events:

  • Junior Gold - 2005 had 1,425 participants / 2016 had 3,292 participants
  • Team USA - 2008 had 103 participants / 2016 had 284 participants
  • High School Bowling is growing
  • Collegiate Bowling is growing and has been NCAA for women since 2004
  • Participation in women's events have increased (at least to the point of capacity, most events are capped and have been because of logistics)

I agree the level of participation in the national tournaments is down.  A lot of that does fall on USBC for not keeping the interest in the events as bowlers age.  A lot of older people participate, but those under 50 have declined probably the most.

But the growth in youth bowling is exactly what USBC has been trying to get.  More youth are participating in bowling in a more competitive environment than ever before.  There may be fewer members, but you have lost a lot of the league members who parents used youth bowling as a day care.



Youth membership is not growing...please check your facts.
I didn't say youth membership is growing.  I said youth participation in competitive events -  you know, the Sport of Bowling - has grown.  And isn't that what USBC is trying to do?

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #98 on: October 31, 2016, 04:33:20 PM »

This isn't about awards...I don't think anyone has brought that up other than the people backing the USBC's position.

This isn't about whether the USBC controls participation, it's about what they are doing to improve participation. Seems like the governing body has a vested interest in organized participation or there would be no need for the governing body...which is where we are headed.

There is no integrity in the game when you have two PBA major champions bowling the World Youth Championships...and they wonder why bowling isn't in the Olympics.

And finally, the board of directors is completely ineffective looking at the results of the past three decades. In fact, the current model shields those at the highest levels from accountability when we all know who runs the board. If they want the board to have an opinion, it's given to them and if the program doesn't work, they can't hold a volunteer board accountable for the failed direction of the USBC. The model is broken and has been for a very long time while people like you defend the status quo and the game continues to decline.



Just to confirm, a PBA major champion isn't allowed to compete in a tournament he/she qualifies for?  Is it because he/she is too good?  Or are you implying the World Youth Championships should revise their qualifications?  This is kinda like saying you shouldn't accept a tax break you qualify for.  I can afford to have a child so I shouldn't accept a tax break for day care expenditures.

I guess it is a black eye on the NCAA since Olympic gold medalists are swimming for Stanford.  I guess it is immoral the Olympics let PGA major winners compete in the Olympics.

I think most agree the local associations could improve.  I think most agree USBC could improve.  But I fail to see how the number of USBC members dictates the effectiveness of USBC.

Again:

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USBC Mission: The USBC is the National Governing Body for bowling. Our mission is to provide services, resources and standards for the sport.

USBC Vision: To be the leading authority to the sport, servicing the needs of bowling.

USBC Promise: Our promise is to celebrate the past, be mindful of the present and ensure bowling’s future through thoughtful research, planning and delivery. We will protect and nurture the sport with a mutual admiration and respect for all who enjoy bowling.

No where does it state USBC has a mission of increasing membership.  And if you feel it is USBC's job to increase membership, then what is the magic number?  If it isn't 2 million or 1 million, what should it be?

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #99 on: October 31, 2016, 06:31:46 PM »
How is the USBC viable without membership growth? What's the magic number where dues are so so high you end up paying $100/year to keep them afloat...150,000?
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2016, 08:52:26 AM »
What USBC seems to be doing is developing a product that entices people to participate in bowling as a sport.  They showcase the sport level of bowling by promoting it at all levels (youth and adult) and genders.  This shows bowlers of all levels have a place in the sport of bowling.  They are providing a product that they hope more people want to be a part of.  It obviously isn't attracting everyone and whether or not it is attracting enough, I am not sure.  I don't know what their expected membership is or what the number is to be solvent. 

There are many on this forum that would pay more than the current $10 to the national organization to have the benefits USBC provides.  I personally would pay more.  How much more, not sure, but I personally would go above $20 for what they are doing now.

I think what you are wanting to see is more programs with the explicit goal of gaining membership.  This would be in addition to whatever it is they do today.  This would be a direct method of acquiring membership where what they are doing now is more indirect.

Other organizations are doing similar things as "The Core".  In the examples I have seen, the price was not equal to the benefit.  Here is an excerpt from the USGA:

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The USGA Member level is the perfect way to support the game you love. Become a member today and join our community of passionate golfers and fans alike. You'll not only receive exclusive privileges and benefits, but you'll also help preserve the excellence in golf for future generations.

The USGA has seven levels of membership ranging in costs from $10 to $2300.  Each level gets added benefits to the level below it.  I feel this is the path USBC is going with "The Core" and think it makes sense to some degree.  There are a select few who would pay more than the current $10 to support the USBC.  However, I personally don't want to spend $120. 

After further review, I realize I ramble nonsensically at times.  This thread has been one of them.  I enjoy bowling.  I enjoy competition, almost to a fault.  And I also feel USBC is doing some things correctly.  Therefore, I want to support USBC because I like what they are doing with the youth programs and with the promotion of women's bowling.  I realize it isn't what it used to be.  I realize also I don't really get anything in return for my money other than enjoyment in the promotion of the sport, and for that I would pay more. 

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2016, 10:49:37 AM »
Great post.  I have often compared the USBC to the USGA.  Another important point to me is that the vast majority of golfers are not USGA members. Also I think any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that decline in USBC membership over the years has little if anything to do with the USBC itself.   

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2016, 11:09:16 AM »
Keep a couple things in mind when comparing to the USGA.  As long as they have the revenue from the TV rights to the US Open the rest is gravy.  Most golfers that keep a handicap pay the USGA in a different way, through the GHIN handicapping service, which I believe is $35 year. 


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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2016, 12:15:11 PM »
I found a better deal!  I call it the Shell Club.  Our motto is "your game is nothing without a shell".  The annual membership includes:

•A Padfolio journal with binder cover
•16GB thumb drive
•2 Bag tags
•2 Bowling towels
•A collectible coin featuring a picture of your choosing
•The 2016-2017 USBC rule book and every other year's rule book in PDF format on thumb drive

And the best part is that you can get it all for a dazzling price of $99.99!

Who's in? :D


LOL! You need to add some more.

The core offers the following in addition:

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Experiential
Throughout the year, members of the community will have the opportunity to win “USBC Event Experiences” at the professional tournament of their choosing (Queens, Senior Queens, Masters, Senior Masters, PWBA Players Championship, PWBA Tour Championship, U.S. Open and U.S. Women’s Open).

Offerings: 
•Two tickets to the final day of match play and to the televised finals
•“Behind the scenes” access pass for a view of the set and tour of the host bowling center
•Interact with the players for photo opportunities and autograph
•Receive an event merchandise gift pack compliments of USBCBowlingStore.com

* How about you offer free admission for all Shell members to your league night!
* Every Shell member can attend the "behind the scenes" access pass for the league's official kick off meeting.
*Shell members can take a selfie with any league bowler.
*Exclusive gift pack containing left over patches and awards from the ABC.


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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #104 on: November 01, 2016, 12:24:30 PM »
 So essentially bowlers who average less than 210 or 200 should start a whole NEWBowling association to get away from the USBC. Stop supporting the top 1% of whiny bowlers. Stop supporting the sharks. Stop supporting a dysfunctional USBC and national tournament. Start a new Organization that really benefits the average joe bowler.

I'm all for it.

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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #105 on: November 01, 2016, 01:03:18 PM »
 Average Joe bowler should have their own Organization. So what if they get the seasonal 225, 250, 275 game patch. They earned it. They may have a 135 average. The ABC began as support for the average Joe bowler. Now as the USBC it basically wants to be a support for all things professional and competitive. Screw the Joe. He'll never amount to be a God in the bowling alley. At least with a new organization if it ever is seen. Should have members voted in and run it x amount of years then step down and out. As it is now with USBC they may step down but are embedded within it.