Author Topic: Is a No Tap 300 Game a Big Achievement? (Read 21914 times)

trash heap · « **on:** January 05, 2015, 10:55:13 AM »

My answer is "No".

mainzer · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2015, 01:40:44 PM »

No it is not.

Another thing some people do is add there handicap to a score then brag about it

milorafferty · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2015, 01:42:48 PM »

Quote from: trash heap on January 05, 2015, 01:29:24 PM

Quote from: milorafferty on January 05, 2015, 01:11:09 PM
No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.

All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.

I do bowl a Scratch No Tap each month. It's on Travis AFB in Fairfield CA. They have two divisions, a 170 average is the dividing line. $25 entry, three game No Tap, cut the field in half, change lanes and bowl another game, cut the field in half again, then change lanes and bowl the one last game for cash. 1st Place pays around $200 for each division.

Here is the catch, other than the month of December, it's NOT a house shot. Sometimes it's a PBA pattern, but as often as not, it's something you have not seen before. Over the last year, we saw patterns as long as 57' with HEAVY oil, to 20' with almost no oil. Even a true reverse block pattern.

There is a 300 pot that costs a dollar to enter and a lot of months it doesn't get hit and rolls over to the next month.

It's held the second Saturday of each month.

Steven · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2015, 01:43:28 PM »

Quote from: trash heap on January 05, 2015, 01:29:24 PM

Quote from: milorafferty on January 05, 2015, 01:11:09 PM
No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.

All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.

We have separate handicap team and scratch singles no-tap tournaments. They both have good turnouts.

A few years ago, a local bowler who was on the Wichita State bowling team came home for Christmas break and brought a few teammates friends with him. They collectively decided to bowl in the scratch no-tap tournament, and not one of them cashed.

It takes a different mindset and approach to have the best success.

ITZPS · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2015, 01:49:38 PM »

I have a no tap 900 . . and while it's fun to say I have it, it's ultimately not that big of a deal. It was still a good set, I think it would have been 750ish, but it's WAY different when you're only trying to throw a good enough shot to get 9. I'll tell you what though, when you're on the "front 35" and are staring down that last shot, it's interestingly nerve wracking. Nobody wants to choke a no tap strike!

trash heap · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2015, 01:52:05 PM »

I am not stating that "no tap" isn't fun, but to consider a No tap 300 game as a big achievement. I don't see it. You are taking away the pressure to adjust (the carry factor) when leaving a single pin and the also the additional added bonus of having to pick up that single pin spare. To me key elements in bowling.

It would be same as a golf tournament where the only goal is to get the ball on the green. Once you do that, just pick up your ball, mark your score and move on to the next hole. You probably have some scores in the low 60s. Is that a big achievement?

avabob · « **Reply #21 on:** January 05, 2015, 01:59:49 PM »

Off topic, but a no tap 300 tourney is the biggest donation to really good scratch bowlers of any format. Many bowlers have no idea how easy it is to hit the pocket if you don't have to worry about carry. I don't bowl many no taps, but over the years, I would be disappointed if I didn't have at least 1 300 out of every 3 games.

milorafferty · « **Reply #22 on:** January 05, 2015, 02:01:39 PM »

Quote from: trash heap on January 05, 2015, 01:52:05 PM

I am not stating that "no tap" isn't fun, but to consider a No tap 300 game as a big achievement. I don't see it. You are taking away the pressure to adjust (the carry factor) when leaving a single pin and the also the additional added bonus of having to pick up that single pin spare. To me key elements in bowling.

It would be same as a golf tournament where the only goal is to get the ball on the green. Once you do that, just pick up your ball, mark your score and move on to the next hole. You probably have some scores in the low 60s. Is that a big achievement?

It is to the person who is only able to throw a ball about 10 mph, with no hand and averages under 150 with a 12 lb plastic ball.

Steven · « **Reply #23 on:** January 05, 2015, 02:07:13 PM »

Quote from: avabob on January 05, 2015, 01:59:49 PM

Off topic, but a no tap 300 tourney is the biggest donation to really good scratch bowlers of any format. Many bowlers have no idea how easy it is to hit the pocket if you don't have to worry about carry. I don't bowl many no taps, but over the years, I would be disappointed if I didn't have at least 1 300 out of every 3 games.

And this is precisely the key to having the best shot at winning or cashing in these tournaments.

I use tame equipment and square up to eliminate creating excessive area. I don't care if I get only 9 pins, because that's all I'm really trying for. A real strike is just a bonus.

milorafferty · « **Reply #24 on:** January 05, 2015, 02:08:13 PM »

Quote from: avabob on January 05, 2015, 01:59:49 PM

Off topic, but a no tap 300 tourney is the biggest donation to really good scratch bowlers of any format. Many bowlers have no idea how easy it is to hit the pocket if you don't have to worry about carry. I don't bowl many no taps, but over the years, I would be disappointed if I didn't have at least 1 300 out of every 3 games.

I find it to be more benefit the 180-190ish bowlers who can't pick up a 10-pin to save their A$$. They get a few sticks based on their average and if you are bowling scratch, they can beat you even if you throw a 300.

LookingForALeftyWall · « **Reply #25 on:** January 05, 2015, 02:28:15 PM »

I sort of bowled a no-tap 900 yesterday but only shot 680 for real...22 real strikes along with 8/11 spare shooting...3 missed 7's. I missed a 7 pin spare in the 10th frame of the last game so I didn't get 3 legit strike shots in the 10th frame - so kind of whatever. Also, I didn't realize it was a no-tap "900" until I looked at my PinPal app hours after the match so I was not up there thinking "I need 9 or better to lock it up!!!".

I will agree with most others: a no-tap 300 doesn't mean much if you already have a regular 300 and it's not a no-tap tournament. However, when I was 14 way back when (pre-resin), and didn't have a regular 300, and shot 300/858 to win a no-tap tournament, you better believe I was super psyched on what I thought was an excellent achievement!!!

xrayjay · « **Reply #26 on:** January 05, 2015, 02:31:06 PM »

Quote from: milorafferty on January 05, 2015, 01:42:48 PM

Quote from: trash heap on January 05, 2015, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on January 05, 2015, 01:11:09 PM
No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.

All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.

I do bowl a Scratch No Tap each month. It's on Travis AFB in Fairfield CA. They have two divisions, a 170 average is the dividing line. $25 entry, three game No Tap, cut the field in half, change lanes and bowl another game, cut the field in half again, then change lanes and bowl the one last game for cash. 1st Place pays around $200 for each division.

Here is the catch, other than the month of December, it's NOT a house shot. Sometimes it's a PBA pattern, but as often as not, it's something you have not seen before. Over the last year, we saw patterns as long as 57' with HEAVY oil, to 20' with almost no oil. Even a true reverse block pattern.

There is a 300 pot that costs a dollar to enter and a lot of months it doesn't get hit and rolls over to the next month.

It's held the second Saturday of each month.

Milo, do I need a base pass to reach the bowling center?

Also, we prolly bowled at the same time or against each other during my time in match club. lol

avabob · « **Reply #27 on:** January 05, 2015, 02:39:22 PM »

I disagree totally that it benefits the poor spare shooting 180-190 bowlers. I do believe they think it gives them a better chance, but they are exactly the ones who are the donators if a scratch bowler enters. High rev rate guys who try to exploit the THS are at the biggest disadvantage.

milorafferty · « **Reply #28 on:** January 05, 2015, 02:41:06 PM »

Quote from: xrayjay on January 05, 2015, 02:31:06 PM

Quote from: milorafferty on January 05, 2015, 01:42:48 PM
Quote from: trash heap on January 05, 2015, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on January 05, 2015, 01:11:09 PM
No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.

All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.

I do bowl a Scratch No Tap each month. It's on Travis AFB in Fairfield CA. They have two divisions, a 170 average is the dividing line. $25 entry, three game No Tap, cut the field in half, change lanes and bowl another game, cut the field in half again, then change lanes and bowl the one last game for cash. 1st Place pays around $200 for each division.

Here is the catch, other than the month of December, it's NOT a house shot. Sometimes it's a PBA pattern, but as often as not, it's something you have not seen before. Over the last year, we saw patterns as long as 57' with HEAVY oil, to 20' with almost no oil. Even a true reverse block pattern.

There is a 300 pot that costs a dollar to enter and a lot of months it doesn't get hit and rolls over to the next month.

It's held the second Saturday of each month.

Milo, do I need a base pass to reach the bowling center?

Also, we prolly bowled at the same time or against each other during my time in match club. lol

You need to call the bowling alley at Travis and get on the gate list.

Around 5 PM on tournament day, they have someone with the list at the gate and you show them your Drivers License and they check it against the list and let you in. Otherwise, you need a sponsor or some kind of military ID. PM me if you want the number to the bowling alley. It's this Saturday for January, so you need to call them before Wednesday to make the list for the month. Once on the list, you will always be on the list.

milorafferty · « **Reply #29 on:** January 05, 2015, 02:43:15 PM »

Quote from: avabob on January 05, 2015, 02:39:22 PM

I disagree totally that it benefits the poor spare shooting 180-190 bowlers. I do believe they think it gives them a better chance, but they are exactly the ones who are the donators if a scratch bowler enters. High rev rate guys who try to exploit the THS are at the biggest disadvantage.

No issues, we will just have to agree to disagree. I know how our Match Club tournaments usually turn out and it's rare for a scratch bowler to win it.

JustRico · « **Reply #30 on:** January 05, 2015, 03:05:55 PM »

I have a No-Tap 1200... That is cool say but if it wasn't No-Tap it prolly would've been 860 (:

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