Author Topic: League Lineage (Read 8668 times)

AlonzoHarris · « **on:** April 21, 2018, 08:31:56 AM »

What's your league(s) lineage? I haven't confirmed for my second league yet, but just noticed my one league is $13/3 games and see why the payout is so shitty.

giddyupddp · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2018, 12:31:46 PM »

Open bowling definitely keeps centers open which is why I try to not complain about changes over the years to attract the open bowling business. But there are times the Bowlero I bowl 1 league over estimates the amount of open bowling they are going to get as was the case last week when all leagues were told to take week off because Spring vacations for public schools. I like to practice so I go and practice at times the leagues bowl and the place was deserted. The waitresses and bartenders were a bit upset at making no money for the week. They do the same thing for week of X-mas - New Years and that one actually makes business sense as they do clean up on the open bowling that week.

bowler851 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 24, 2018, 12:34:38 PM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on April 24, 2018, 12:17:41 PM

The big story here though is that leagues almost cost bowling centers more than they make them. Yeah it's consistent and predictable income, but open play is worth MUCH more to a center with MUCH less effort. Lanes don't have to be freshly run, don't have to deal with whiny league bowlers, etc. I don't blame them. League bowlers want the most and pay the least and whine about the deal the whole time.

Our center is getting some much needed upgrades, but it's not the league bowlers paying for it, they do lots of open play and have packed cosmic sessions on Friday and Saturday nights. I'm very grateful that I get to benefit from upgrades I'm not contributing much to.

I disagree league bowlers keep the doors open, a bowling center could not stay open on open bowling alone

JazlarVonSteich · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2018, 03:03:49 PM »

Quote from: bowler851 on April 24, 2018, 12:34:38 PM

I disagree league bowlers keep the doors open, a bowling center could not stay open on open bowling alone

I agree. Those leagues are guaranteed for x number of weeks. Most places can't guarantee open bowlers for the same time period. There are busy times and there are dead times. As well, a lot of open bowlers just have no common sense. Chucking balls down the lane while the rack is down or multiple balls in the gutter. Goofing around without care for anyone or the house. Just too much risk trying to rely on open bowling keeping the business alive.

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #19 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:20:11 PM »

I don't know where you guys bowl, but if league bowling disappeared here completely, not sure the centers would mind much. Open play and parties and events are big here, they make the leagues take a week off between Christmas and New Years because of how much money they pull in. Nice break in the middle of the year too. Open play is big here. Maybe not so much in smaller towns though.

HackJandy · « **Reply #20 on:** April 25, 2018, 12:44:50 AM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on April 24, 2018, 06:20:11 PM

I don't know where you guys bowl, but if league bowling disappeared here completely, not sure the centers would mind much. Open play and parties and events are big here, they make the leagues take a week off between Christmas and New Years because of how much money they pull in. Nice break in the middle of the year too. Open play is big here. Maybe not so much in smaller towns though.

Yep same in my metro area. Bowlmor owns vast majority of houses (good and bad thing) and they have leagues but pretty sure they make most of their money on the alcohol.

ignitebowling · « **Reply #21 on:** April 25, 2018, 02:36:06 AM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on April 24, 2018, 06:20:11 PM

I don't know where you guys bowl, but if league bowling disappeared here completely, not sure the centers would mind much. Open play and parties and events are big here, they make the leagues take a week off between Christmas and New Years because of how much money they pull in. Nice break in the middle of the year too. Open play is big here. Maybe not so much in smaller towns though.

Maybe relative to the area. Open play on the weekends is a no brainer, but the rest of the week seems a bit more seasonal. If bowling centers want less leagues why do so many fight leagues when they want a shorter season?

Most of our leagues are 36 weeksâ€¦.. When asked about going to 32 or fewer the option is available as long as we pay 36 weeks worth of lineage. #awesome

Bowlaholic · « **Reply #22 on:** April 25, 2018, 06:36:59 AM »

We have two very profitable centers where I live. One is loaded to the hilt with league business and would via for more if they had time slots available both day & night.
The other center does a very good league business, but also a lot of birthday parties on the weekend along with cosmic bowling. But, the owner has expressed he would welcome more league business if he could.
Both owners have stated the league business (36 weeks of guaranteed income), pays the overhead. The profit is derived from food/beverage sales. One of the centers also generates a lot of income from a very large arcade business.
Bottom line leagues dominate open/rec. bowling in my area.

JazlarVonSteich · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2018, 08:49:26 AM »

Open play is big here, but only at certain times of the year - and not every day. There's no way it could sustain a center. Tournaments are not as abundant anymore due to open play being better for business, but no way could leagues be replaced.

rackattack · « **Reply #24 on:** April 25, 2018, 09:17:39 AM »

14 (5 man) teams. $20.00 per bowler. First pays $2500.00 per half. Lineage is 7.50 per bowler. Can post link to facebook with complete prize list. Our team finished 8th and 6th for total payout of 1400.00.

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2018, 09:25:59 AM »

Lol with lineage that low, no wonder. That's cool.

Quote from: rackattack on April 25, 2018, 09:17:39 AM

14 (5 man) teams. $20.00 per bowler. First pays $2500.00 per half. Lineage is 7.50 per bowler. Can post link to facebook with complete prize list. Our team finished 8th and 6th for total payout of 1400.00.

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2018, 09:33:55 AM »

League vs. open play is dependent on how motivated the manger/owner are in the operation of their business. Leagues require little effort past the sign up period for the most part, marketing open play requires much more effort but has a much higher income potential. Most bowling centers want to do little more than unlock the doors so the league model is more beneficial to them.

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #27 on:** April 25, 2018, 09:37:54 AM »

Charging $7.50 for lineage is just a slow, miserable death for a center. At first they charge that little to get people in the door, then they are afraid to raise the price because they think people will leave, then it gets to the point they can only charge that much because the place is a complete dump.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #28 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:14:19 AM »

I bowl in a league that has 21 4 person teams. We bowl 32 weeks, and pay $18 a week.

I have no idea what the lineage is, nor do I care. WHY SHOULD I?

I want to bowl in a league setting. Iâ€™m never going to get rich bowling, or even make a living at it. I bowl for the challenge, the pleasure, and the recreation of it all.

For that, $18 a week is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP!

And we get money back after itâ€™s over. YES, we have a prize fund, albeit a small one.

I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT PRIZE MONEY. THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH 90% OF THE â€œRECREATIONALâ€ LEAGUES ANYMORE.

Heck, I remember everybody getting trophies at the end of season, fully paid, banquet.

IF YOU ARE IN BOWLING FOR THE MONEY, why are you bowling leagues? Shouldnâ€™t you be bowling in tournaments with bigger prizes than youâ€™ll ever get in league?

IF YOU ARE BOWLING FOR FUN AND PLEASURE, why are you worried about lineage and prize funds? Where else are you going to get 2-3 hours of fun, friendship, and activity for only $6-$7 an hour?

Bowling costs what it costs. If we arenâ€™t willing to pay for it at a rate where it is profitable for the center to be open, they soon wonâ€™t be.

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #29 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:15:41 AM »

YESSSSS! Our association suggested a few years ago that leagues give up the prize funds to make the cost per week cheaper and then rioted and accused us of trying to take their money, but man when lineage goes up a quarter every other year they lose their minds.

Quote from: Juggernaut on April 25, 2018, 11:14:19 AM

I bowl in a league that has 21 4 person teams. We bowl 32 weeks, and pay $18 a week.

I have no idea what the lineage is, nor do I care. WHY SHOULD I?

I want to bowl in a league setting. Iâ€™m never going to get rich bowling, or even make a living at it. I bowl for the challenge, the pleasure, and the recreation of it all.

For that, $18 a week is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP!

And we get money back after itâ€™s over. YES, we have a prize fund, albeit a small one.

I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT PRIZE MONEY. THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH 90% OF THE â€œRECREATIONALâ€ LEAGUES ANYMORE.

Heck, I remember everybody getting trophies at the end of season, fully paid, banquet.

IF YOU ARE IN BOWLING FOR THE MONEY, why are you bowling leagues? Shouldnâ€™t you be bowling in tournaments with bigger prizes than youâ€™ll ever get in league?

IF YOU ARE BOWLING FOR FUN AND PLEASURE, why are you worried about lineage and prize funds? Where else are you going to get 2-3 hours of fun, friendship, and activity for only $6-$7 an hour?

Bowling costs what it costs. If we arenâ€™t willing to pay for it at a rate where it is profitable for the center to be open, they soon wonâ€™t be.

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:24:30 AM »

Quote from: Juggernaut on April 25, 2018, 11:14:19 AM

I bowl in a league that has 21 4 person teams. We bowl 32 weeks, and pay $18 a week.

I have no idea what the lineage is, nor do I care. WHY SHOULD I?

I want to bowl in a league setting. Iâ€™m never going to get rich bowling, or even make a living at it. I bowl for the challenge, the pleasure, and the recreation of it all.

For that, $18 a week is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP!

And we get money back after itâ€™s over. YES, we have a prize fund, albeit a small one.

I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT PRIZE MONEY. THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH 90% OF THE â€œRECREATIONALâ€ LEAGUES ANYMORE.

Heck, I remember everybody getting trophies at the end of season, fully paid, banquet.

IF YOU ARE IN BOWLING FOR THE MONEY, why are you bowling leagues? Shouldnâ€™t you be bowling in tournaments with bigger prizes than youâ€™ll ever get in league?

IF YOU ARE BOWLING FOR FUN AND PLEASURE, why are you worried about lineage and prize funds? Where else are you going to get 2-3 hours of fun, friendship, and activity for only $6-$7 an hour?

Bowling costs what it costs. If we arenâ€™t willing to pay for it at a rate where it is profitable for the center to be open, they soon wonâ€™t be.

AMEN EXACTLY ^^^^^

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AlonzoHarris

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