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Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« on: December 10, 2008, 11:00:04 PM »
Well my game has come to a sad state where I gotta ask others how to make the 10-pin.  Yesterday was a total disaster and I cost my team the 1st half of the season.  As anchor I needed to pick up the 10 pin to win.  I missed it far left and we lost by 4 pins. (10th frame).  I wound up with only a 602 series with a high of only 212.

I have tried 2 different spare balls (one with finger tip inserts and slug and one with the bare finger tip drilling).  I have tried standing in the middle and throwing it hard and straight (looks good when I make it, but when I miss it looks bad).  I have tried standing in the left gutter and missing it.  

I can't seem to get a technique that works consistently.

HELP ME!
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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 07:03:58 AM »
Easy hit your target and you will hit the pin.

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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 07:07:32 AM »
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Easy hit your target and you will hit the pin.
The sad thing is, this is basically the truth!  Shooting at the 10 pin is no different than shooting at any other single pin spare.  I think that's the stumbling block that most people have trouble getting past.  You have less room to miss right and still pick up the pin, but it's still a very large target compared to the area of the pocket you need to hit on the first ball to strike.

You need to pick where you stand and pick your target and just throw at it like you would any other spare.  The only way to find your best target is to experiment in practice.  I personally take a decent sized step left in my approach on the 10 pin so that I can walk in front of the ball return and get as close to the left gutter as possible.  With this, I can hit basically anywhere between the 3rd and 4th arrows and pick up the 10 pin.  I use plastic on my spares, and I have a lower rev, higher speed release anyhow, so the ball goes pretty straight.  I just have to remember to get up there and just throw it.  If I get up there and think about where I need to aim, etc., I can pretty much be guaranteed to miss it.  That's how it works with ANY spare for me.

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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 07:14:41 AM »
The sad truth is most have been helped so long in getting to the pocket that they dont know what accuracy is.

Since the help to get to the pocket is dry outsides they dont get any help hitting corner single pins so there normal misses on strike balls miss the single pins on spares.

You dont have to throw it hard. Just get plastic and learn to hit a spot that will hit the 10.

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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 07:21:23 AM »
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Easy hit your target and you will hit the pin.

Some people on my team use the screwball where they do a reverse hook/backup ball.  That is not an option for me since my wrist is already wrecked.  My average would be so much higher if I can make the 10 pin.  I miss my target consistently when shooting it.  It will either slam right into the gutter or hit somewhere around the 5 pin area LOL.  I gotta get lessons or something.  One game I had 7 strikes and still only got like 192.  The other game I had 3 opens and all 10 pins.
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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 07:22:19 AM »
Dont leave it -- Leave something else...  :-)
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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 07:25:08 AM »
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Dont leave it -- Leave something else...  :-)
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LOL that is what I try to do usually.  I would rather hit high and leave the 4 pin all day haha.  Usually when I bowl over 225, it is because I had no 10 pins.  When I bowl over 250, it is because I left only a 9 pin once or twice.  
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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 07:31:03 AM »
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Easy hit your target and you will hit the pin.

Some people on my team use the screwball where they do a reverse hook/backup ball.  That is not an option for me since my wrist is already wrecked.  My average would be so much higher if I can make the 10 pin.  I miss my target consistently when shooting it.
You don't need to throw a backup ball or anything goofy to make the 10.  You just need to hit your target!!  Go practice shooting at whatever your target is on the 10 pin and just do it for three straight games until you start to get the feel right.  There's no substitute for accuracy.  (Remember that your body needs to be turned to face the 10 pin so that you don't have to throw it out to the right away from your body as much.  It shouldn't be a motion all that different from shooting any other spare)

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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 07:47:43 AM »
Stand 35 shoot 20..  If you hit target and miss left, move your target to the right, how many ever boards you need, if you miss right, move your target left..

Use that as your anchor board..  (I use 19)..  Stand 35 for ten pin, 32 for 6 pin, 29 for 2 and 9 pin..  It is the basis of the Triax-System..

Throw the ball straight and flat..

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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 07:56:36 AM »
One more tip for you, take a bit of speed off of it.  I'm not talking about slowing it down to a crawl, but there is probably enough oil volume to hold a plastic ball without trying to throw it into the back parking lot.  I had this problem myself and once I slowed down a bit, my accuracy increased greatly.  I also don't stand all the way to the left gutter, more like around 6th arrow with the feet. That also helped me out.
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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 07:57:01 AM »
Don't do anything different with your body mechanics than you do on your first ball. If you're playing the lanes right you should be able to use a polyester spare ball going cross-lane and have great success. I use the same release as I do for my reactive equipment.

It when we think we have to "murder" the pin and throw it hard that we can get into trouble. It's only one single pin. You just have to knock it over, not break it.

Some guys think it's cool to throw it real hard and knock the pin silly, but they are the ones who look silly if they miss. The ONLY time I'm throwing extra hard at the 10 pin is if the 7 pin is standing with it and I'm trying to bounce it out of the pit. Remember, just knock it over.


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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 07:58:19 AM »
K2PBA12x,

We were posting the same idea at the same time. Great minds think alike?



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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 08:01:52 AM »
My biggest issue used to be my release.  I would stand left and use plastic but my problem was I was throwing it like a strike ball and projecting it out to the right while coming around it.  Once I realized that and started just coming straight up the back it flattened everything out and I became more accurate.  I always felt like I needed to keep every shot consistent so I relied on the plastic coverstock to not hook and just threw my strike ball standing around the left gutter.  Like I said though the problem was missing right for me.

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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2008, 08:02:58 AM »
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I have tried 2 different spare balls (one with finger tip inserts and slug and one with the bare finger tip drilling).  I have tried standing in the middle and throwing it hard and straight (looks good when I make it, but when I miss it looks bad).  I have tried standing in the left gutter and missing it.


The thinking of throwing it hard is not necessarily good. I used to throw my shots harder at ten pins and was terrible at it. Slow down and try to throw it the same way you do your strike ball. For this you want a spare ball that fits the same as your strike ball. If you feel like you need to get used to that ball, go practice and bowl a few full games using only your spare ball. You will get used to throwing it and targeting with it. I do the same as Dan Belcher, and suggest you try to do the same. You want to be somewhere on the left gutter and aim between the 3rd and 4th arrow on the left side. Exactly where will be determined by you after some practice. I aim at 17 and have 2 boards in either direction to miss when shooting at the ten pin. Again the more you practice shooting it the same way the better you will get at it.

Good luck.

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Re: Making the 10 - Pin (Help Please)
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2008, 08:16:40 AM »
when trying to throw it hard, you may be bringing the ball back too much by muscling it, and there for you bring your head back with it. when that happens, you are either going to pull through it miss it left, or you will lead with your shoulder, causing the ball to Gorki. try slowing down a bit like someone else mentioned.

one thing i do, is i actually move 1 step back in my approach to shoot the 10-pin. this way my feet are not ahead of the ball as much, and so i won't want to pull through the shot.

what do you look at when shooting the 10-pin? you may be looking too far left as one person mentioned or even too early on the lane.  you could try looking farther down lane. by doing that, it will help keep your head on your mark and not want to bring the ball back so far. you will still generate speed on the ball, but will have more of a relaxed armswing, instead of feeling like you have to place it in order to pick it up.

like someone else said "practice until you get it right". but one thing i have noticed, is that when you find something, stick with it. just because you miss one, doesn't mean you have to change what you are doing. also, keep a positive mindframe. if you think negative when shooting it, you will get negative results.
we are only human. unless you are Walter Ray, who is the man when it comes to the spare game.  Good Luck and let us know how it is going.