I'm not really sure what the intent is or who the targeted audience is.  Could be high, could be low, but if that's the number you want, stick to it. 

80 percent of 220....

Quote from: Zanatos1914 on February 19, 2014, 02:04:36 PM

80 percent of 220....

This completely gives the advantage to the higher average bowlers. Not including the  sandbagger scum who inevitably show up for handicap tournaments of course.

If you really want it to be somewhat fair for the true handicap bowler, you should go to at least 90%.

All of our local stuff is 100% of either 230 or 240....Not fun when you're a higher average guy, especially when they pay 65% to handicap and 35% to scratch.  In one state I bowl in their annual tournament is always based on 100% of the highest average bowler in the state, which last year was like 253.  Scratch guys couldn't get a sniff of the handicap numbers that paid way more than the scratch division.

820 cap with no hdcp

Nothing involving handicap will truly be fair to anyone.  It doesn't take much for a lower or higher average to score well higher.  Is it going to be a reasonably challenging shot?  That would level the playing field some and keep the scores out of the stratosphere.  It would also increase the longevity of the tournament, if it's something you plan to do often or annually.  People don't return to tournaments if the winning scores are nearly unattainable. 

I'd agree for the most part.  But in my opinion it is easier for a lower average bowler to bowl higher over their average.  Just for an example a 150 bowler can get some luck and maybe bowl a 190.  A 230 or 240 bowler can also get some luck, but a couple of ring dimes can put him out of wood real quick. 

I have no problem with a handicap tournament as long as it pays fairly.  If there are scratch and handicap divisions they should pay 50/50 not 70/30 or 60/40.  I'm paying the same entry fee as a handicap bowler why am I only eligible for 35% of the prize fund?  That's something that has never made sense to me.

Better watch it, that's the same opinion the Gizmo has, and he gets 'crucified' for voicing it 'every time.' 

Noice!  The problem is, people state they want the sport to grow, but then they don't think it's fair that average bowlers (majority of participants in sport) have a chance at tournaments.  There can be different divisions, but then the high divisions will just complain there aren't enough entrants/prize $. 

Just bowl scratch brackets, take your 35% payout for scratch, and hope for the best with handicap.

Quote from: CoachHines on February 20, 2014, 09:51:24 AM

Better watch it, that's the same opinion the Gizmo has, and he gets 'crucified' for voicing it 'every time.' 

Noice!  The problem is, people state they want the sport to grow, but then they don't think it's fair that average bowlers (majority of participants in sport) have a chance at tournaments.  There can be different divisions, but then the high divisions will just complain there aren't enough entrants/prize $. 

Just bowl scratch brackets, take your 35% payout for scratch, and hope for the best with handicap.

I'm not saying I don't think having handicap is fair, I think handicap is needed.  My one and only complaint is why my entry fee is worth less as a scratch guy compared to handicap bowlers at certain tournaments.  I bowl in my state tournaments regardless where this happens, any other tournament i bowl is scratch, so for me this only happens a couple times a year.

And BTW I am nothing like GIZMO....lmao