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todvan

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More flare = what ball response?
« on: August 03, 2015, 03:20:37 PM »
If you have 2 balls, 1 flares more than the other, and all else is equal - what difference is there in ball reaction?

Does more flare cause the ball to hook and roll sooner than the other?

Does more flare cause the ball to cover more boards than the other?

Does more flare cause the ball to burn up (lose energy) sooner than the other?

All of the above or something else?

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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2015, 11:46:19 AM »
Response is in terms to how quickly a cover responds to friction...some are slower and some are quicker...this is dictated by cover strength and amt of surface grit...a slower response is a smoother transition from oil to friction and quicker is one that transitions faster or more noticeably
Flare can definitely enhance the response phase...more flare or wider separation gaps slows the response time and less flare separation or tighter rings quickens the response time

I thought is was opposite.  Less flare equals slower response and more flare has faster response.  More flare = more friction.  Isn't than why dry lanes balls are mostly low flare?

Think about it, less flare = more energy retention. When and if the ball releases said energy, its much quicker. More flare = ball slows down, hence slower response. At least this is how I understand it. I could be wrong.
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2015, 12:44:29 PM »
Slower response is front to back and faster is angler or side to side
If there is more flare the bowling ball will slow earlier or easier cause less distinct motion or movement
A faster or quicker response will be more visual...less flare or tighter separation creates more skid in oil and faster/quicker response to friction
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2015, 02:04:15 PM »
I think I'm on the same page with you Rico, but maybe not.

Let's take two balls with the same cover and surface, but different cores.  Ball A - high flare core;  Ball B - low flare core.

If I take both balls and throw them straight up 10 (keeping it simple).
Ball A will slow down sooner (b/c more flare=more fresh ball surface or traction) and begin to move right to left sooner.  As the ball comes out of the oil and sees more friction it will continue moving left faster until it hits the pins or burns up all of its energy and rolls out.  All that is dependent on ball surface and length/volume of oil.

Ball B will go straighter longer because it has less traction/flare in the oil.  Once it sees more friction it will "not" move left to right as fast because it is still has oil in the track carried over from the front part lane.

To me High Flare slows down sooner and moves left to right faster.
Low Flare slows down later and moves left to right slower (b/c of slower response to friction)

Am I even close?

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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2015, 02:07:34 PM »
Flare doesn't make the ball become more angular axis rotation does...
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2015, 02:10:26 PM »
Of a bowling ball has 30 degree of rotation and it has minimal flare separation, when the ball sees friction it will tend to respond or react more sharply or noticeably...if the ball has a higher degree of flare separation, it is contacting the lane sooner thus slowing before it sees the friction
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2015, 03:14:53 PM »
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2015, 09:57:36 PM »
Slower response is front to back and faster is angler or side to side
If there is more flare the bowling ball will slow earlier or easier cause less distinct motion or movement
A faster or quicker response will be more visual...less flare or tighter separation creates more skid in oil and faster/quicker response to friction

This is good - not what I expected either - but makes some sense now that I think about it.  Glad I asked.  I was assuming that more flare (everything else being the same) meant that it would react more strongly once it left the oil.  But it is reacting sooner and smoother instead.  Thanks!
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2015, 10:51:46 PM »
Slower response is front to back and faster is angler or side to side
If there is more flare the bowling ball will slow earlier or easier cause less distinct motion or movement
A faster or quicker response will be more visual...less flare or tighter separation creates more skid in oil and faster/quicker response to friction


Question,
So for those that have a higher rotation/lower revs/med to med high speed to revs, a high flare ball would be more of a smooth arc than a low flare ball which I think would be longer and a much sharper turn off the break point and a stronger entry angle. Correct?

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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2015, 07:26:41 AM »
The layout is merely flare management and an enhancer not the creator...coverstock strength & surface grit dictates lengths and how the ball slows down and/or responds to transition
But to answer your question....yes
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2015, 09:51:04 AM »
Great post, very informative!