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lsf_21

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Need something smooth and weak.
« on: January 24, 2013, 05:45:00 PM »
I am frustrated with my current look during league. Basically the 2 looks I have are up 5 with urethane and pray for carry or thread the needle from inside where I have zero room left or right. This house is definitely where straighter is greater.

here is what I am using that is hooking too much. Ebonite Hardball, Track 505c, and storm iq tour pearl.

I am lost at what to do. It seems any pearl I drill I get over under and uncontrollable and solids roll way to early. Do I need to try a different drilling? Different ball? Just give up and quit? any suggestions are welcome.

 

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2013, 11:17:16 AM »
My first thought is to take something like a Freeze Solid and put the pin at 2 inches from your axis and surface to 4000 with Factory Finish.  That way it will be stronger than your Natural and yet not flippy off the dry and yet able to blend in any wet/dry that you may see.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2013, 12:36:30 PM »
For those with knowledge, would the Versa Max be a decent option?  I sometimes see similar conditions and was considering the versamax since I've read it is long and mild and versatile.



I had the versamax and its a pretty strong ball.....I recommended the Blackout, similiar motion but a bit weaker...Id drill short pin to pap for less flare and smooth motion
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2013, 01:46:05 PM »
You can't go wrong with the information that Charlest gave you. He is usually right on the money when it comes to ball prep for tough conditions. I like BrunsMike's suggestion as well.

I don't know what brand of balls you like, but I use an arsenal of Sonic-X's and Ultra-Sonics, prepped the way that Charlest has proposed. This gives me a variety of ways to attack the lanes and stay away from the track area being used by others. I also have an RG Riot that I use, polished, and it is smooth as silk on almost toasted lanes!
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2013, 02:44:32 PM »
Versa-Max, although tame, bites sorta hard on dry.   If you can find some oil near the middle arrow, take advantage.

My buddy has a thing returns drilled up in such a way the block has very little to do with the motion, snd the revs and cover are the only real factor and it works quite well when he plays in the desert
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2013, 10:12:27 PM »
Hammer arson low flare, will be perfect for what you are seeing
im in the same boat
super smooth and arcing.
wont jump off the dry at all
OBB is 500 + polish, take the underlying surface grit up higher and its just more of the same, even smoother.

It needs to be drilled a bit stronger than you think as the dif is quite low.
 

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2013, 10:41:03 PM »
Nothing to report after tonight. They got a new oiling machine and new cleaner and the shot was terrible. 4 200 averages on the pair and no one shot average.

I was swinging my natural 15-5 on the right lane and 20-5 on the left and was fighting it hooking to much on the left lane.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2013, 11:01:17 PM »
Charlest,

Where would the track 300C fit in compared to your recommendations?

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2013, 08:46:20 AM »
The AMF Cobra SE has a really unique ball reaction. I am still trying to figure out how to play the lanes with it and mainly because it is so much weaker than what I am used to rolling. Playing straighter is not my A game. It does hit hard and even with pin up at 5" from PAP it still rolls a lot earlier than expected.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2013, 08:52:43 AM »
I had the opportunity to tour the Ebonite factory and bowl at the test center.
Met all the brand managers, was an awesome experience
Top notch company for sure

Anyways, I have all 3 of the 300 series
300c - kind of a love/hate ball, sometimes great, sometimes not, redrilled it, surfaces, etc..

300T - love this ball, weaker and predictable, layout on mine is pin just under the bridge and weight hole on PAP, short sport killer...

300A - Mitch Beasley laid this piece out for me just for the toasty shot, it has been mentioned here already, 2" pin-pap, what a great piece, wont over react at all with that short pin.
when everybody else is moving in, i can move out and stay there
Predictable move off the end of the pattern every time(unless you help it, then you see the "A" characteristic of the ball, it will jump a little)
used it a few days ago on a highway to hell pattern, dulled to 1000 by hand, moved out and threw it up 6-7, made nice move to the pocket and carried well.

My biggest problem on the friction is helping it, dryer it is, harder i throw it and more i help it.

if you help it all at on friction, you are at a disadvantage from the start.
Guys who have the good, smooth stay behind it, release seem to do much better IMO

My greastest improvement for the dry THS on wood lanes has been improving my technique, equipment is also important, but secondary in this equation

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2013, 09:06:11 AM »
Charlest,

Where would the track 300C fit in compared to your recommendations?

For me, the polished 300C is above the Slingshot and Trop. Breeze in oil handling and overall hook and simialr to the old Orange Recon RX-1. Dull, it is quite a bit stronger handling medium-light to true medium, very similar to its stock rougher twin, the 300T, which I can use on tougher shots to control wet/drys. It is about equal to the Ascent pearl and the Scream, but the AP has a stronger backend than either. (The Ascents are almost not entry level or light oil balls with the bowler being speed dominant or very low rev bowlers, in my opinion.)
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2013, 09:11:29 AM »
Nothing to report after tonight. They got a new oiling machine and new cleaner and the shot was terrible. 4 200 averages on the pair and no one shot average.

I was swinging my natural 15-5 on the right lane and 20-5 on the left and was fighting it hooking to much on the left lane.

That's just not right. Condolences. Is it polished? weak drilling?

I wish the Tropical Breeze solid were still available. It could be a good choice for you not that I hear this. BUT you'd have to use a control drilling and, at least, haze the stock polish which is far too flippy. Maybe the good looking Black Cherry Hybrid TB would be of value.

While I think the Scream could also work in this case, I'm not 100% positive. I just drilled mine up and hope to try it on Sunday or Monday. I'm pretty sure it's weaker and more controllable than the Ascent Pearl; but again, I need to prove it tomyself before recommending it.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2013, 09:37:40 AM »
My first thought is to take something like a Freeze Solid and put the pin at 2 inches from your axis and surface to 4000 with Factory Finish.  That way it will be stronger than your Natural and yet not flippy off the dry and yet able to blend in any wet/dry that you may see.

Steve, as per usual, has an excellent idea. Still I wonder if the Freeze Solid might not be a hair too strong for this situation. A lot depends on lsf_21's ball speed/rev rate ratio. It does come polished. If his ball speed is matched then it could work. It needs to get thru what he calls dry-ish heads; a solid with a 2" pin and medium-high differential, might not get thru those heads. That's why I was suggesting balls 1/2 - 1 notch weaker balls than the FS.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2013, 02:54:52 PM »
Nothing to report after tonight. They got a new oiling machine and new cleaner and the shot was terrible. 4 200 averages on the pair and no one shot average.

I was swinging my natural 15-5 on the right lane and 20-5 on the left and was fighting it hooking to much on the left lane.

That's just not right. Condolences. Is it polished? weak drilling?

I wish the Tropical Breeze solid were still available. It could be a good choice for you not that I hear this. BUT you'd have to use a control drilling and, at least, haze the stock polish which is far too flippy. Maybe the good looking Black Cherry Hybrid TB would be of value.

While I think the Scream could also work in this case, I'm not 100% positive. I just drilled mine up and hope to try it on Sunday or Monday. I'm pretty sure it's weaker and more controllable than the Ascent Pearl; but again, I need to prove it tomyself before recommending it.

It is drilled with a "length" drilling. Pin above fingers center bridge with CG swung out with a big ole weight hole close to PAP.
Also we were bowling on 1 and 2 which always seems to be terrible.

They said with the new machine/cleaner combo they might have to put more oil on the lane and my response was we needed more oil before. At least they are open to suggestions. They are a new house that opened in April of last year and have had 4 or so 300s and 2 sets in the 780s. Problem has been the shots breaking down and its tough to put 3 games together. Biggest league in the house is 50 bowlers and there are around 10-15 200 averages.

The last 3 sets I bowled before last night I have had high games of 289, 269, and 253. The problem has been losing carry. Monday I go 269 and proceed to leave 8 single pins and shoot like 180.

Hopefully Monday is better. It is roll off so I am worried we will be on lanes 1 and 2 again.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2013, 03:00:35 PM »
What is insane to be about last night is that the right handers were throwing. DV8 nightmare, IQ tour pearl, virtual gravity, Chainsaw, and mission 2.0.

The guy with the nightmare has a considerable amount of hand and the one thorwing the chainsaw matches his revs/speed well.


Maybe I just need more ball speed but I feel 17 (what the screen reads) is enough. When I get quicker my accuracy goes to the crapper.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2013, 04:45:08 PM »
If you're scoring that well in games 1 & 2 with the Natural, I wouldn't change a thing.

A go-to ball like the Scream or the 300A may be all you need for the 3rd game.
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