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lsf_21

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Need something smooth and weak.
« on: January 24, 2013, 05:45:00 PM »
I am frustrated with my current look during league. Basically the 2 looks I have are up 5 with urethane and pray for carry or thread the needle from inside where I have zero room left or right. This house is definitely where straighter is greater.

here is what I am using that is hooking too much. Ebonite Hardball, Track 505c, and storm iq tour pearl.

I am lost at what to do. It seems any pearl I drill I get over under and uncontrollable and solids roll way to early. Do I need to try a different drilling? Different ball? Just give up and quit? any suggestions are welcome.

 

tdub36tjt

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2013, 06:45:46 PM »
I didn't say it was weak. I called it straighter and very controlled....left to right it is fairly straight which will make people call it weak. Even tho front to back its pretty strong.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2013, 08:22:08 PM »
I didn't say it was weak. I called it straighter and very controlled....left to right it is fairly straight which will make people call it weak. Even tho front to back its pretty strong.
Right, agree.  Was just reminding lsf_21 in case he is considering it that it's not.  Like what you see, we saw the same; it is not a big left to right ball, but it does generate strong entry angle and is very continuous.  But key and to your point, you can play it more direct.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2013, 08:58:27 PM »
agreed. I honestly didn't like mine because it didn't do anything in the back OOB but I messed with the surface enough now that I like it has enough kick but lets me stay in the track and it pretty much won't go too high in the pocket unless its time to move.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2013, 02:12:16 PM »
I'm going to dredge up this thread because I am experiencing this same problem down to the T and there doesn't seem to be much consensus on a good solution since the original poster's alley changed up the pattern. I bowl in two leagues at my house, one is on fresh oil, the other follows a women's league with a lot of straight bowlers. My house uses a long (44ft) and light oil pattern that usually breaks down severely by midway through the second game. I typically start with my Wicked Encounter (drilled weaker) or my Frantic and find that I completely lose my carry by the middle of the second game (with the wicked) or get very sharp over/under reactions (with the frantic). Midway through this winter I purchased a tropical Heat hybrid which is drilled similar to the Frantic (pin above, right of ring finger) in hopes of finding a more controllable ball during this transition and while I find it to be smoother than the frantic on the backend, it too becomes very over under by the late-second, third game. I usually end up switching back to my wicked by the 3rd game and trying to throw it hard down 14-15 and try to take the lanes out of it. I find the dull coverstock seems to help smooth the broken down lanes out but doesn't give me much room for error. There is usually a bit more oil in the middle but I am not very comfortable playing really deep inside and tend to struggle with consistency when I do. It seems to me the best scorers in my house throw very straight down the boards with old, weak equipment but they start leaving lots of 10 pins by the last game. Things get especially tricky on the night we bowl second shift and there is often a fair amount of carry down which causes the balls that save the energy for the backend to be very unpredictable on the wet/dry carry down. You can throw 2 shots almost identical and one will snap back through the headpin and the other will come in flat. The outside boards are generally very dry at this house. I am looking for a ball I can play that will give me a fair amount of forgiveness during that transition period and when the lanes are completely toast. I find that when I miss shots, they are more often misses right (right handed) and the ball catches the dry boards and snaps back either through the head pin or Brooklyn. I was looking at the Roto Grip scream/shout or a storm tropical breeze pearl or hybrid but can't decide what my best option is. I am currently struggling to put good a series together: I tend to be higher scoring the first game (220s), very low second game (180s) and then right around 200 the third game. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If additional info would help, let me know. Thanks!
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2013, 03:11:12 PM »
The 2 pieces I am waiting to try are the storm super natural and the true blood by hammer.  True blood is plastic with the First Blood core.  First company since Lane 1 to put out plastic with a core that I am aware of.  I have the XXXL and when I have truly dry lanes, XXXL still carries well due to the core.

I am SO rev dominate I am always looking for weaker pieces since I can make a slingshot  look like the most aggressive ball ever made.  I can't even dream about throwing syncs or virtual gravity.  I will hook it off the lane.

I have a Lane Master's Hornet that is my goto ball that I hope never cracks.

And I have a pink and purple hammer urethane from the 90's that I use regularly.

Hoping the new stuff will meet my needs.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2013, 03:30:47 PM »
A while ago I had a LM Black Pearl drilled axis leverage and loved the reaction. I could basically stand 20 right of normal and play the dry without too much over reaction. Try drillling also.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2013, 05:05:57 PM »
I got a super natural drilled up last week. Ball is super awesome

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2013, 06:33:08 PM »
What does it do? And what is the backend like?
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2013, 07:31:58 PM »
Have you tried putting surface on the tropical heat to smooth out some of the over under??? i would stay away from the breeze shout or scream. On a wet dry condition they will likely make the over under you are seeing even worse.....

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2013, 10:06:33 PM »
I have a 900G hook hybrid with a double thumb layout. Weakish cover/core...but rolls smooth.  Keep the cover with matte finish.....the price is cheap ;-)
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2013, 07:15:59 AM »
Have you tried putting surface on the tropical heat to smooth out some of the over under??? i would stay away from the breeze shout or scream. On a wet dry condition they will likely make the over under you are seeing even worse.....

This.  Try some odd surface combinations to dial it in if you need to.  My driller just turned my Cobalt Vibe into a great control ball by putting it at 360+polish.  I haven't tried a house shot yet where I can't just stroke that ball up 10.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2013, 07:58:04 AM »
I got a super natural drilled up last week. Ball is super awesome

Have you gotten a chance to throw it on a similar condition to the one you had during your league yet? How do you find the carry to be on missed shots? I was suggested urethane by a friend of mine but I don't know that my accuracy and consistency is good enough to make good use of urethane.


Have you tried putting surface on the tropical heat to smooth out some of the over under??? i would stay away from the breeze shout or scream. On a wet dry condition they will likely make the over under you are seeing even worse.....

Hmmm...I hadn't considered that...I do like my Heat for certain opening conditions at my house with the OTB cover but I really haven't messed with the cover to see if there's something that would work even better. Any suggestions on where to start with the cover? I have messed around with the frantic cover before and hated the reaction. I changed it from 1500 polished to 1000 abralon and found that it took too much of that awesome backend away that drew me to the frantic in the first place. And just curious but what is your reasoning for staying away from the breeze/scream/shout? Is it that they conserve too much energy for the backend which in my case is often unpredictable?
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2013, 08:52:43 AM »
They changed the shot to something slightly heavier. With the SN I can play left and not have to feel like I need to "throw" it to keep it left. I threw it conpared to my IQ and I was 10 boards right with my feet and getting it out further left at the breakpoint.

As for the reaction. When I keep it right and more in the oil it makes a smooth transition to the pocket, it wasnt really a "hook". If I throw it left it was hit or miss. Soft speed and it hooks back beautifully. The slightest amount firm and it skates. For me its best playing straighter on the shot thats out. I can see this ball being awesome on drier shots. 

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2013, 12:11:28 PM »
They changed the shot to something slightly heavier. With the SN I can play left and not have to feel like I need to "throw" it to keep it left. I threw it conpared to my IQ and I was 10 boards right with my feet and getting it out further left at the breakpoint.

As for the reaction. When I keep it right and more in the oil it makes a smooth transition to the pocket, it wasnt really a "hook". If I throw it left it was hit or miss. Soft speed and it hooks back beautifully. The slightest amount firm and it skates. For me its best playing straighter on the shot thats out. I can see this ball being awesome on drier shots.
I have the SN ordered and should be throwing it Monday. I also have IQ Tour Pearl pin up that was too strong so surfaced to 2000, 3000, 4000 then polish which did great on fresh house practice(I bowl straight from the right, around 1st arrow) but when league started, the lanes breaking down forced me to move inside. I'm hoping I see good reaction from SN to use when after my IQ and considering Light out for smaller step down from IQ but from what I've read so far that ball is stronger than expected

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2013, 09:34:12 AM »
Release and cover prep is what you need to adjust.

Polish is going to make the ball jump more on the backend, even of you have surface under it. Do not overdo the polish.

I use my heat hybrid at 500/1000 for this problem. I use a very light coat of polish to give me a slightly more angular movement and hit off the dry. I adjust up or down from there depending on the oil volume.

Two  weeks ago I used a Champion to combat the same condition. 500 with Beans sauce. Shot my highest series of the year.

Last week I decided to experiment so I pulled out my Nexus and put 500 and polish on it. I shot. I lt gave the best look on wood lanes with a big puddle in the middle and burnt out track by the end of the first game. I shot 266 the first game and had the front seven the second game.

It helps if you can adjust your axis rotation and  ack off on revving the ball a bit.