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Perception vs Reality
« on: November 12, 2014, 02:01:53 PM »
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2014, 07:58:03 AM »
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on November 13, 2014, 06:31:27 AM
^^^^^^

This.

tkkshop, you seem skeptical of a lot of good info posted.  You seem to come at it somewhat distrusting.  I see you're on Storm/Roto staff.......do you feel your product is being attacked or misrepresented in some way?

I hope I'm misreading that (and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong here and take that back if I am) but am I the only one that sees this?

That's exactly what I was thinking but didn't want to say anything to get flamed.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2014, 10:35:52 AM »
I must have missed the part in the video where it stated their equipment was better than the balls they compared them to?  Did anyone else miss this too because I didn't hear it or read it in the video.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2014, 11:05:35 AM »
I think tkkshop has a valid point… the way I see it is the way their comparing balls,  are not only at they comparing other top companies' balls to their good ball,  they are SAYING THEIR TOP BALL IS BETTER THAN OTHER'S,  Their BEATING AROUND THE BUSH with it,  look at all avenue's of the comparison's its too obvious.……

I look outside the box…. Great point tkkshop  ;)
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2014, 11:10:11 AM »
Please let me know when someone puts together a video to show that their equipment is "worse" than all their competitors.  I am dying to see that one.

Quote from: leftybowler70 on November 13, 2014, 11:05:35 AM
I think tkkshop has a valid point… the way I see it is the way their comparing balls,  are not only at they comparing other top companies' balls to their good ball,  they are SAYING THEIR TOP BALL IS BETTER THAN OTHER'S,  Their BEATING AROUND THE BUSH with it,  look at all avenue's of the comparison's its too obvious.……

I look outside the box…. Great point tkkshop  ;)
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2014, 11:15:08 AM »
Man, if I could only find a ball that hooks more I would be all set.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2014, 11:22:19 AM »
The thing that bugs me is the bubble that says "The Guru has better ball motion and more overall hook than the Zero Gravity"... 

That word "better"... that's not scientific, thats opinion.  The ball motions are different, and shouldn't they be?  You're comparing a 2.55/0.37/0.010 core with a 2.50/0.044/0.018 core.  I did not know that the criteria for "better" was more hook.  I'm quite positive they could have moved the throwbot 2-3 boards right and blown the pocket up with the Zero Gravity.

If I'm bowling on a burnt house shot, my Boost is going to give me a "better" ball motion than a Guru, correct?

Let's stop pretending that this is scientific video and take it as what it is, propaganda.

And not including the DV8 and Brunswick balls because Phil and Mo "already know the Guru would outperform them".... so before the test they didn't know it would outperform the Deadly Aim, Sinister, Cruel Intent, Pivot and Zery Gravity?  right....

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2014, 11:31:06 AM »
Quote from: ThomasR on November 13, 2014, 11:22:19 AM
The thing that bugs me is the bubble that says "The Guru has better ball motion and more overall hook than the Zero Gravity"... 

That word "better"... that's not scientific, thats opinion.  The ball motions are different, and shouldn't they be?  You're comparing a 2.55/0.37/0.010 core with a 2.50/0.044/0.018 core.  I did not know that the criteria for "better" was more hook.  I'm quite positive they could have moved the throwbot 2-3 boards right and blown the pocket up with the Zero Gravity.

If I'm bowling on a burnt house shot, my Boost is going to give me a "better" ball motion than a Guru, correct?

Let's stop pretending that this is scientific video and take it as what it is, propaganda.

And not including the DV8 and Brunswick balls because Phil and Mo "already know the Guru would outperform them".... so before the test they didn't know it would outperform the Deadly Aim, Sinister, Cruel Intent, Pivot and Zery Gravity?  right....



Exactly, it was advertising, nothing else.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2014, 11:50:13 AM »
Its still a flooded market, the guru needs as much help. I don't even think the other brands even care haha.
Can't wait to see the next one showcasing "back end reaction" featuring a new Rad pearl versus competitor solids LOL. 
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2014, 01:14:05 PM »
Not getting into the marketing thing here, I have a serious question for Nick.

Nick, I noticed that you used the Sinister for Roto's HP ball, but to really test it's validity, why not use the Hyper Cell? It is current, and is regarded as their oil ball.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2014, 01:54:38 PM »
Quote from: leftybowler70 on November 13, 2014, 11:05:35 AM
I think tkkshop has a valid point… the way I see it is the way their comparing balls,  are not only at they comparing other top companies' balls to their good ball,  they are SAYING THEIR TOP BALL IS BETTER THAN OTHER'S,  Their BEATING AROUND THE BUSH with it,  look at all avenue's of the comparison's its too obvious.……

I look outside the box…. Great point tkkshop  ;)

I agree. Also, this video could have been manipulated in a number of ways, if I was not there myself to see what variables were or were not compromised, this is just marketing fluff.

As someone mentioned, total propaganda.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2014, 02:03:51 PM »
I'm still waiting for the "Perception" & the "Reality" to be thrown....  ???  :P
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2014, 02:07:05 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on November 13, 2014, 01:14:05 PM
Not getting into the marketing thing here, I have a serious question for Nick.

Nick, I noticed that you used the Sinister for Roto's HP ball, but to really test it's validity, why not use the Hyper Cell? It is current, and is regarded as their oil ball.

Simply put, they claim the Sinister outhooks the Hyper Cell. It's even rated that way on their website.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2014, 02:10:05 PM »
Actually, I take that back. Misread the numbers, but we chose the Sinister because it was the newest, current line, heavy oil ball.

If we had chose Ball A, people would ask why we didn't test Ball B.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2014, 02:13:46 PM »
Thank you northface for backing up my claim… .
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2014, 02:34:32 PM »
Is anyone ever happy on here?

Of course it's marketing. Every ball video is marketing. That's why they made it. Radical isn't storm or motiv, they need something to get their name out there. They tested as evenly as possible to show that their ball stacks up pretty well against the competition. Marketing or not, they successfully made that point.
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