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Perception vs Reality
« on: November 12, 2014, 02:01:53 PM »
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 02:34:06 PM »
I liked it.  It does a really good job of compare and contrast.  I'm not sure why the particular balls from the other manufacturers were chosen, and I am sure others will probably want to see comparisons with other balls.  It would be great to see how well it matched Blueprint (or other company software) data.  I will say that the benefit will always go to the person who sets the parameters of the test, but even to that extent, I thought this was a very fair comparison.  Kudos.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 02:44:53 PM »
Great video.  I would have liked to see solid versus solid balls shown...none the less...great video.  I expected the guru to outperform the listed balls on oil.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 02:45:55 PM »
Surprised to see a side by side comparison. Figured most companies tried to avoid that.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 02:53:45 PM »
Just a heads up, it took roughly 6 weeks from start to finish of this production. The time it takes to order the balls, drill them, set up the parameters, set up throwbot, reoil, set up throwbot, set up video equipment, record cats data, tabulate data, translate data, eat lunch, nap, then edit video into a nice, neat little package is the reason we used the balls that we did.

At the time of filiming, each ball was chosen by the marketing of the competition. It had to be their most current, high end heavy oil ball. By the time of the video release, multiple new high end balls had come out.

There will be more tests in the future. These are fantastic.

(And to respond to tkkshop, each ball was thrown for 5 games prior to tests)
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2014, 03:16:45 PM »
I wish this was done with every ball vs every ball ever - and with different styles.

Should also include 900 rpm fun! These are my favorite videos.

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 03:17:31 PM »
Id love an Intellect and Guru side by side. My Intellect was a beast.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 03:22:49 PM »
If we did another video today with the Jackal and Crux, by the time the video launches, someone will ask why we didn't you use Crux 2 or Kangaroo? Nature of the business.

No real reason the Mastermind and Feud were not used. This was a Radical Guru vs the competition video, Mo & Phil already knew the Guru would outperform those two as well. It would have been good for reference, I agree, but those ball are not competitor's balls.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 03:32:31 PM »
If we did another video today with the Jackal and Crux, by the time the video launches, someone will ask why we didn't you use Crux 2 or Kangaroo? Nature of the business.

No real reason the Mastermind and Feud were not used. This was a Radical Guru vs the competition video, Mo & Phil already knew the Guru would outperform those two as well. It would have been good for reference, I agree, but those ball are not competitor's balls.

lol @ the kangaroo, I like the comparisons tho

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 04:02:14 PM »
This doesn't say anything. A 1500 grit ball goes longer than a 4k grit Sinister after 3 shots. So after 2 games of league, and some lane shine, how much longer does the Guru go? Any longer and its 10 pin city. And the Crux would have been a nice comparison as opposed to the Zero, given how the Zero is truly a Symmetric ball per Mo himself. I have been eagerly awaiting this video to see what all the "hype" was about. Meanwhile we get a video that shows the Pivot and Sinister hooking sooner and striking, with the Cruel Intent, Zero Gravity, and Deadly Aim all going longer. It is all about smoke screens and mirrors.

Please excuse my ignorance tkkshop, but why does a 1500 grit ball go longer than a 4000 grit ball after 3 shots?
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 04:25:46 PM »
Chemical Friction is the reason you see a 1500 grit ball go longer and have more angle. The surface texture is built into the structure of the resin and by dialing in one or all of the additives, we can dictate how much and where a ball should hook on the lane.
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 09:23:26 PM »
This doesn't say anything. A 1500 grit ball goes longer than a 4k grit Sinister after 3 shots. So after 2 games of league, and some lane shine, how much longer does the Guru go? Any longer and its 10 pin city. And the Crux would have been a nice comparison as opposed to the Zero, given how the Zero is truly a Symmetric ball per Mo himself. I have been eagerly awaiting this video to see what all the "hype" was about. Meanwhile we get a video that shows the Pivot and Sinister hooking sooner and striking, with the Cruel Intent, Zero Gravity, and Deadly Aim all going longer. It is all about smoke screens and mirrors.

If I remember right Phil said the reason he didn't put the balls at the same grit as the Guru was he didn't want the other companies to say that he shouldn't have changed their covers for the test so he used them at box finish as they came from their companies. Nick and Phil can correct me if I miss quoted. Thanks Nick for coming out to Fremont CA for the demo day.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2014, 06:23:47 AM »
If the other pieces were at 1500, they would be stronger overall. But the other companies' intent was not to push the "strongest ball we've ever made" onto us. That seems to be a MoRich and now Radical thing.

You are kidding right? You do read and watch the videos from every company when it comes to releasing a new HP ball and how they are almost always the next biggest best thing ever.

" will help you create more angle through the pocket. It’s been proven that increasing your entry-angle gives you a much wider margin for error that can lead to more strikes. Think Jason Belmonte or Pete Weber’s pin-action, you don't have to throw it like these pros but that is what you can expect from the Crux."

" It’s all about managing friction and knowing what you, the bowler, expect when you step up on the lane. That’s why your Storm bowling ball comes back to the pocket from parts of the lane where others just cannot compete."

"yields a strong change of direction at the breakpoint, giving you more angle to the pocket and better pin carry. Now who doesn’t want a few more strikes a game?........ by providing a later break point and more entry angle."

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"gives me strength and the ability to dominate the lanes through continuous motion and unstoppable power."

"Part of being a hero is having tough skin capable of standing up to everything in your way. My 80H MicroBite coverstock is the strongest Roto Grip has ever developed and gives me unimaginable power. Even the oiliest conditions aren't a problem for me."

"he Defiant Soul provides more length than the original
Defiant, but gives you more reaction in heavier oil than the Defiant Edge. Whether
you're battling medium/heavy or heavy oil, the Defiant Soul allows you to easily make
adjustments to combat the conditions at hand. Lane Condition Heavy Oil"

All from Storm/Roto ball info. I guess marketing is the same for everybody.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2014, 06:25:31 AM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2014, 06:31:27 AM »
^^^^^^

This.

tkkshop, you seem skeptical of a lot of good info posted.  You seem to come at it somewhat distrusting.  I see you're on Storm/Roto staff.......do you feel your product is being attacked or misrepresented in some way?

I hope I'm misreading that (and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong here and take that back if I am) but am I the only one that sees this?
« Last Edit: November 13, 2014, 07:53:46 AM by Good Times Good Times »
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2014, 07:42:57 AM »
I think this is a great scientific comparison.  Eliminate as many variables as possible, be clear about the assumptions and differences, and show the results.  If I pick up ball A in box condition, this is what I might expect relative to ball B in box condition.  We should thank Nick & others for sharing this with us!  I've never seen this before.

No where do they say one is better or worse, they are simply stating the facts...this one goes longer, this one rolls sooner, this one hooks more/less.  Just because a ball goes longer and hooks more (or one ball is red and the other blue...or one finished at 1500 grit versus 4000 grit polished) doesn't mean it's better and therefor the study is invalid.  If you put out a different pattern, changed the lane surface, or varied the target line, the results would have looked different.

I want to thank them for sharing and encourage to keep up the good work!

Scott
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