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Perception vs Reality
« on: November 12, 2014, 02:01:53 PM »
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2014, 02:47:42 PM »
Is anyone ever happy on here?

Of course it's marketing. Every ball video is marketing. That's why they made it. Radical isn't storm or motiv, they need something to get their name out there. They tested as evenly as possible to show that their ball stacks up pretty well against the competition. Marketing or not, they successfully made that point.

Yes they did. It's funny cause if the would have put the other balls at 1500 and they didn't Perform the first thing would have been you changed the surface and you should have left it at box finish. Now I'm not a staffer for any company but I did go to the Radical/DV8 demo day and when I first saw this video (10/21/14) The question was asked "how do you show your product is stronger?" Our answer throw them side by side. And not one of the proshop operators said "but the covers aren't the same."

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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2014, 04:06:48 PM »
Lot of butt hurt people when it comes to bowlers it seems if something isn't how they perceive it should be.

Take out the cartoon figures talking through the video and watch just the ball on the lane and the graphed comparisons.

There is a very accurate out of box comparison of the HP bowling balls at the time this was made. All drilled the same, thrown the same number of games, and on the same condition by a freaking robot.

Most customers that go into the proshop looking for a new big hooking bowling ball usually want the ball they saw someone else throwing on the lanes or they look at price. Because the more the ball cost the more the ball should hook.

They do not care if your HP $229 ball is pearl, solid, hybrid, shiny, or dull. They only care that they "think" at $229 it should be even with every other manufactures $229 ball currently out.

The video accurately gives you that from the bowling balls thrown. Anything else you take away from that is your perception.

I think it is understated the fact that all bowling balls were thrown 5 games prior to testing. Considering that allows the ball surface and track to be adjusted by the lane surface to a higher or lower grit of the bowling balls original starting point. That is very smart and something most bowlers never take into consideration. (or most ballreview members for that matter) 
« Last Edit: November 13, 2014, 04:11:33 PM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2014, 04:18:45 PM »
Lot of butt hurt people when it comes to bowlers it seems if something isn't how they perceive it should be.

Take out the cartoon figures talking through the video and watch just the ball on the lane and the graphed comparisons.

There is a very accurate out of box comparison of the HP bowling balls at the time this was made. All drilled the same, thrown the same number of games, and on the same condition by a freaking robot.

Most customers that go into the proshop looking for a new big hooking bowling ball usually want the ball they saw someone else throwing on the lanes or they look at price. Because the more the ball cost the more the ball should hook.

They do not care if your HP $229 ball is pearl, solid, hybrid, shiny, or dull. They only care that they "think" at $229 it should be even with every other manufactures $229 ball currently out.

The video accurately gives you that from the bowling balls thrown. Anything else you take away from that is your perception.

I think it is understated the fact that all bowling balls were thrown 5 games prior to testing. Considering that allows the ball surface and track to be adjusted by the lane surface to a higher or lower grit of the bowling balls original starting point. That is very smart and something most bowlers never take into consideration. (or most ballreview members for that matter) 

Hummm, I don't know Kid, who pays the electric bill for that robot?  ;D
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2014, 04:26:11 PM »
So you suggest USBCs throwbot has an agenda too? Maybe because it is a two handed bowler.......
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2014, 04:28:36 PM »
So you suggest USBCs throwbot has an agenda too? Maybe because it is a two handed bowler.......


Ah, now we get to the bottom of it. LOL
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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2014, 04:37:12 PM »
So you suggest USBCs throwbot has an agenda too? Maybe because it is a two handed bowler.......

Here along I thought it was just a no thumber...  who knew? ???

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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2014, 04:40:02 PM »
Before this video was ever made, a Radical tester and I wanted to do a comparison of the Guru versus a Utah piece comparing hook, motion, and pin carry. I was told that the Guru would out perform in all 3 aspects, but there was a sticking point. He said the Utah piece had to be a solid Asymmetric and the surface had to match. That left the Hyper Cell and Zero Gravity. He also wanted it done on the pattern of his choice. Then we caught wind of this video and decided to let that be the test. I didn't know that the criteria he wanted was going to be used against me in regards to surface and having to be a solid coverstock.

As for the video, take the cartoon characters out with their comments Nd let us see the reaction for what its worth. The Sinister and Pivot look really good,  but we are told they won't carry as well because they don't go as long. Well they sure look flush on their shots to me. Marketing is one thing, but deliberately taking shots at other companies is another. Go make a food lane video or something, but do not negatively comment about other companies balls.

Yea, I saw the same as you. Made me think about getting a Sinister or Pivot actually. I didn't get the same "I want one of those" feeling about the Guru.
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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2014, 04:41:31 PM »
So you are smart enough to look pass the cartoons then you are smart enough to know it is still a sales video for a bowling ball from a bowling company comparing products no different then what is posted by car companies or any other business.

In the video there is propaganda, there is cartoons, and there is side by side comparisons. There is no crying. I do not have a contract and would gladly drill and throw a Guru, or any other piece against anything else on the market. I know the ball will not be the difference, do you?
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2014, 04:45:27 PM »
Before this video was ever made, a Radical tester and I wanted to do a comparison of the Guru versus a Utah piece comparing hook, motion, and pin carry. I was told that the Guru would out perform in all 3 aspects, but there was a sticking point. He said the Utah piece had to be a solid Asymmetric and the surface had to match. That left the Hyper Cell and Zero Gravity. He also wanted it done on the pattern of his choice. Then we caught wind of this video and decided to let that be the test. I didn't know that the criteria he wanted was going to be used against me in regards to surface and having to be a solid coverstock.

As for the video, take the cartoon characters out with their comments Nd let us see the reaction for what its worth. The Sinister and Pivot look really good,  but we are told they won't carry as well because they don't go as long. Well they sure look flush on their shots to me. Marketing is one thing, but deliberately taking shots at other companies is another. Go make a food lane video or something, but do not negatively comment about other companies balls.

Yea, I saw the same as you. Made me think about getting a Sinister or Pivot actually. I didn't get the same "I want one of those" feeling about the Guru.

I sold my two Gurus but my friend drilled his and said its the best ball hes thrown in a while. I think it will be popular because most bowlers love hook.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2014, 04:55:34 PM »
I know the ball will not be the difference, do you?

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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2014, 04:56:24 PM »
So if you like the way it rolls it has a longer shelf life? Guess I do not follow.

No one said the Sinister is a bad ball. You are mad at cartoons in a video selling another brands ball and proceed to make all of the excuses instead of saying initially "hey the ball looks pretty good to me and still struck" you went to surface, number of games, and this and that.

Please do not say balls make a difference and then go to retro crap  from the 70's when we are talking about todays equipment and one manufacture to another. That is very lame, played out, and irrelevant to anything discussed.

It is a sales video
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2014, 04:58:05 PM »
I know the ball will not be the difference, do you?

SHOTS FIRED!

No just a simple fact. The brand equipment is not a factor. That is a crutch many use, but I bowl and walk just fine without them.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2014, 05:05:53 PM »
Surprised to see a side by side comparison. Figured most companies tried to avoid that.


I will go back to my original post to the video.

The most important thing I ever learned in sales was not to talk another person product down, but talk your product up. After watching the video I observed that at no point did they say anything negative about the other ball. Only what the Guru did differently.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2014, 05:21:47 PM »
I think most bowlers watching the video are smart enough to take the video for what it's worth. Sure, it was marketing, but it's refreshing see balls in direct comparison instead of what a company wants you to believe within the boundaries of it's own propaganda bubble.
 
In owning the Guru, Pivot and Deadly Aim, I can say for those balls, the video was accurate with respect to the respective OOB surfaces. And it could be argued that Radical was taking a chance in showing the Sinister and Pivot to pretty much match the Guru.
 
Regardless, maybe a little less emotion is in order. As Nick has tried to point out, no matter what they did, some people would find fault with the parameters. I'd really like to see more of these head-to-head comparisons. It's better than a lot of the stuff we see otherwise.

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Re: Perception vs Reality
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2014, 05:34:11 PM »
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