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Hogsharley

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Please help with absentee score rule
« on: April 18, 2006, 01:12:54 PM »
League rules has 10 pin drop. 3 man team. Team uses absent player with most games played which is correct procedure for absentee. Absent bowler has 199 entering average, 10 pin drop brings average down to 189 but real average of that player is 181. Other team places his score on recap sheet as 171 for 10 pins off his real average of 181.
    Now, league secy post scores for absent bowler at 179 for 10 pins off his DROP average. Bowl.com rules state absentee score should be off players CURRENT average. Instead of a tie, we now loss game.
    What should be the absentee score for this player with a 10 pin drop? 171 or 179.?

 

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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2006, 09:22:51 PM »
Guess you lost me somewhere...2 different avgs ? What is listed/posted by league sec, on recap sheet, should be that person's avg. I don't see how you got 2 different avgs for that person.
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Hogsharley

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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2006, 09:42:44 PM »
Recap sheet has 171 but the teams fill out a blank recap. It is not pre-printed. Absentee's posted avg is 189 only because of the 10 pin drop. Otherwise he is bowling at a 181 pace.


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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2006, 10:56:21 PM »
None of the leagues I'm in have as many posted avgs as you have. Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't understand your "ave/book avg/base avg"...just doesn't ring any bells with me. We have one avg, not 3 so I guess I do not understand why your league has 3, which one you'd use with a blind, that would have to be in your league rules, sure not a part of USBC, not that I can find, anyway, sorry.
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JOE FALCO

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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2006, 11:22:14 PM »
If I understand this correctly .. if the bowler was BOWLING (and not absent) he would be reflected with a 189 average .. therefore in his absence he should have a 179. That to me is a LOGICAL APPROACH .. suddenly going to his unrecognized actual average does not make sense. That actual average is only for reporting at season end to the USBC!
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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2006, 11:36:58 PM »
It depends on what your league rules state.  We have a league that you use book as base for handicap for the first 9 games.  

If the bowler is absent before completing the 9 games, then the absent score is book minus 10 with hdcp based on book.  

If it is after the 9 games have been bowled, then it is sheet minus 10 with hdcp based on sheet average.
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JOE FALCO

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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2006, 12:07:21 AM »
10 pin drop rule .. means a bowler will never bowl with an average that drops more then 10 pins from his entering average. If the league is running 6 weeks and a bowler that entered with 199 has a running average of 181 he will have to bowl with an average of 189. If that same bowler (in the same period defined) had a running average of 190 .. that's what he would bowl with. The point is for bowling week to week he will NEVER have an average to bowl with less then 189.

If that bowler had a running average of 181 and he bowled he would be bowling with a 189 .. if he doesn't show up that night he gets 10 under that average for 179.

According to the poster there rules define the 10 pin drop rule .. then define that a blind uses 10 pins off his average .. I would argue that his average for the league is 189 .. therefore his BLIND score is 179 (10 less then his league average).

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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2006, 12:41:15 AM »
Joe, I only bowled one league with a 10 pin drop rule and the way it was used was for entering average team caps only.  For example, I had booked 188 one year, the next year I booked 167.  Since my average had gone more than 10 pins down, I was brought in at a 178.  It had nothing to do with anythig except determining if we fit under the cap.

I have never bowled in a league that used the 10 pin drop in any other way.  It seems to present interesting questions.

USBC Rule 105e An absentee score is to be used when a member is absent and a substitute is not available.  The following provisions apply unless otherwise provided by a league rule:

1.  The absentee score for each game shall be the absent member's current average less 10 pins.  In handicap leagues, the handicap shall be based on the absent member's current average.

I'm glad we don't have to deal with the situation  Good luck!

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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2006, 06:44:50 AM »
ThongPrincess,  the trios league that I bowling has a 10-pin drop rule the is applied each wek for the entire season.  You average for this leage will NEVER be more than 10-pins loer han you enter with.  

For example, my wife came in this year with 178 from last year in the league.  She has struggled the entire year and her "real" average is 165, BUT because the league has the 10-pin drop rule, her average on the recap sheet is 168.  Now, she is going to be absent next week (business trip), if I don't get a sub, her blind will be 158, NOT 155.

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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2006, 10:55:48 AM »
Thanks to everyone that responded. I feel bowlin fool has it correctly. 10 pin drop is for the sandbaggers and the 10 pin drop off the 189 avg would actually only give him a 2 pin drop off his real avg for be absent.  Bowlin fool is no fool when it comes to rules.

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Re: Please help with absentee score rule
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2006, 11:02:33 PM »
Don't agree on your conclusion .. but as long as you are satisfied .. that's good enough for me!
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