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NJStroker

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Really early release
« on: May 19, 2009, 01:31:06 PM »
hey guys, i unfortunately have a really early release and start turning it really early. This leads to very little revs and a LOOOOOOOOOOW track lol. idk y i just can not get it later, i went to more forward pitch to let it stay on my hand longer and it helped a bit. Not squeezing it as bad. Any practice drills or ways to fix this? and is accelleration through the release bad? because when i throw my spare ball on viper at 18 mph, it hooks and my friend who's good at coaching said that that's how i should throw my strike ball, and i accelerate at the very bottom to get speed but i dont have the revs to get a regular ball to hook at that speed. sry for the long rant, just really want ideas lol thanks to everyone

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Dan Belcher

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Re: Really early release
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2009, 03:55:38 PM »
With release, sometimes it's just a mentality change that helps you improve your game.  You currently are trying to make the ball hook, if that makes sense.  You're putting an emphasis on getting the ball into a sideways rotation, and doing it from the side of the ball at release.  Instead, think about trying to roll the ball and lift upwards through the ball.  Take a look at Norm Duke's hand in the slow-motion replays 2:15 into this video when they compare Duke's release when he plays up the boards as opposed to when he moves inside and hooks it.  Even when he's hooking it more, he still does not come around the side of the ball much.  All the rotation and power comes from his thumb exiting the ball quickly and cleanly, leaving the fingers to add rotation as gravity pulls the ball downward while the armswing pulls the hand upward.  When you see it in motion in the video, it makes more sense.  Very little effort is used here really to create a good ball roll that is predictable, controllable, and yet carries extremely well.  You don't have to try to hook the ball, just let gravity and momentum and the ball's mechanics do it for you.  Once you start thinking that way, it's much easier to start changing your release for the better.

NJStroker

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Re: Really early release
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2009, 03:59:29 PM »
Dan, that vid helped quite  a bit, im probably gonna start trying to go right upt he back with no hook at all, with a lil bit of loft, then just slowly start to put some rotation on it, even if it doesnt hook a lot, i just need it to roll better.
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Re: Really early release
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2009, 04:00:31 PM »
Read this: http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinskiapr08.pdf

Maybe that will make more sense than I can.
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Re: Really early release
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2009, 04:04:18 PM »


Do you use your brace with your spare ball for 10 pins??
 I just know that when I used a brace with a metal palm it tended to force the ball off my hand too early..

wait.. in the video you don't have a brace.. what is different when you wear the brace.. better or worse..??
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375 RPM, 17-18 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 17 DEG TILT

NJStroker

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Re: Really early release
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2009, 04:12:49 PM »
i dont wear it anymore, but given the idea that i have to stay under it more i thought it might help.
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Do you use your brace with your spare ball for 10 pins??
 I just know that when I used a brace with a metal palm it tended to force the ball off my hand too early..

wait.. in the video you don't have a brace.. what is different when you wear the brace.. better or worse..??
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Re: Really early release
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2009, 04:34:56 PM »
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i dont wear it anymore, but given the idea that i have to stay under it more i thought it might help.
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It might help in cupping the wrist a bit or keeping a firm wrist if you have trouble doing that.. from the looks of the video it doesn't look like the weight of the ball gives you any trouble.. but it is hard to tell for sure.


Without the brace, Can you hold the ball at your side with your arm straight and cock your wrist up..
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NJStroker

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Re: Really early release
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2009, 04:38:00 PM »

yes jw i can with no problem
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Re: Really early release
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2009, 05:19:41 PM »
NJStroker Take a video of your spare shot and compare the two.

I'll guess that you come straight up the back of the spare ball with a straight follow thru.  In the video it looks like your fingers are above the equator and on the right side of the ball as you start your release.(the lighting makes it hard to tell for sure)

Your profile says high tracker so the following may get you back on track.

Here is something you can try, for all the nay sayers I have seen this work.
Just before beginning your push away turn your hand so your thumb is in what I call a hitch hiking position pointing to the right as far as possible without hurting your wrist.  During your entire approach just concentrate on that hand position thru release, don't worry about target or ball reaction you are just trying to get the track up. Once you get the track up then you can start working on hand positions for ball reaction.

The further below the equator and behind the ball your fingers are at the beginning of your release the more revs you should have.





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Re: Really early release
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2009, 05:27:19 PM »
who says you have a problem? I think everything your doing is fine.
The ball, lanes , coverstock, ?  any one else see what I see?

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Re: Really early release
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2009, 05:29:47 PM »
young, i was actually thinking of doing that exact same thing, almost try and throw a backup ball but not even try and turn it at release, just to get used to not turning until real late, and taige idk if that was sarcastic or not but i have no idea what you said lol.
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Re: Really early release
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2009, 06:00:34 PM »
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who says you have a problem? I think everything your doing is fine.
The ball, lanes , coverstock, ?  any one else see what I see?


I said it wasn't bad.. and he just needed a touch less spinning..
I would imagine those lanes were pretty dry..
on more oil and no backends he will definately need less spin and for the ball to read the lane more to get a good reaction..

if these lanes are oily and your ball is doing what it is doing .. being an avalanche solid.. I would agree.. don't change a thing...
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NJStroker

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Re: Really early release
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2009, 06:03:39 PM »
they were on the med side of dry definetly, i need to not go around it as much i know, i just dont know how not to basically, these ideas are great though thanks guys.
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who says you have a problem? I think everything your doing is fine.
The ball, lanes , coverstock, ?  any one else see what I see?


I said it wasn't bad.. and he just needed a touch less spinning..
I would imagine those lanes were pretty dry..
on more oil and no backends he will definately need less spin and for the ball to read the lane more to get a good reaction..

if these lanes are oily and your ball is doing what it is doing .. being an avalanche solid.. I would agree.. don't change a thing...
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Re: Really early release
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2009, 06:12:36 PM »
NJ  If you use the term hitch hike people will try it, if you use
the term back-up ball they look at you like you are crazy.

No offense meant.

But it does get you track back up.

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Re: Really early release
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2009, 06:26:43 PM »
I cant tell any one enough about how many times a certain bowler, l, or r, could have, would have, matched up on a certain shot. BALL BOWLER LANE and (TALENT).

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Re: Really early release
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2009, 09:39:59 PM »
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I was watching your feet and your third step is shorter than your first step which makes me think your slowing down as you get to the line. Just speaking for myself my first step is shorter than other steps. Try taking a shorter first step and see what happens.
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