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Easy10pins

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Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« on: June 23, 2006, 10:57:54 AM »
This past weekend, Hawaii TV Bowling had a tournament at Barber's Point Bowling Lanes here on Oahu.  To my surprise, Robert Smith aka Maximum Bob had entered the tournament.  Needless to say I put my gear back in my car and didn't bother wasting the entry fee.  He did win the tourny, BTW.

I just want to get opinions on this.  How fair is this to the average/above average bowler to have a PBA professional bowling in a local tournament? (unless he is no longer a touring pro).
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302efi

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2006, 01:28:07 AM »
I think you did the right thing by packing up your gear and leaving. Theres no way in hell I would donate my money either !

You people talk about coward this, and coward that...lol... When you have superstar PBA memebers bowling in a small house tourney, tell me you would "try your best" ? LOL...STFU


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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2006, 01:44:09 AM »
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I think you did the right thing by packing up your gear and leaving. Theres no way in hell I would donate my money either !

You people talk about coward this, and coward that...lol... When you have superstar PBA memebers bowling in a small house tourney, tell me you would "try your best" ? LOL...STFU


It's amazing that people who would leave a tournament because a proffessional is in, even bowl in tournaments. What's the point of even bowling a tournament at all if your not there to test yourself againest others better then you? Do you only enter tournaments when you are the best in the field? When I was 15 in my 2nd year bowling I bowled againest JT USA members and got my but kicked but you know what it made me a better player, I learned from it and from them.

STFU? Please, go back to your house wall...
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302efi

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2006, 01:58:34 AM »
Sure thing Brunswick Lefty

I'm sure glad there still some dumbazz tourney money donators out there !

Who else would these big superstar PBA guys get there lunch money from ?

Do you bowl on TV with the big boys ? No, your not good enough, right ?

...so you bowl little local tourneys, right ? But..then why the hell is the superstar star PBA bowler in YOUR local tourney ? He should be with people in his skill level...

Hmmm....."Houston, we have a problem"

Spare me the, "You got to bowl with PBA guys and let them take your money, before you can get better"

...or, "You should donate you $200 intrance fee to the PBA star, so you can test yourself and see how you match up to him"...

In the words of Mr. T:

"I pitty the fool"
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2006, 02:02:13 AM »
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I think you did the right thing by packing up your gear and leaving. Theres no way in hell I would donate my money either !

You people talk about coward this, and coward that...lol... When you have superstar PBA memebers bowling in a small house tourney, tell me you would "try your best" ? LOL...STFU
 


We have a weekly sweeper in our area that has Eugene McCune come out every week...there was concern before about him bowling in it...scaring people away from entering...but we've seen a bigger amounts of bowlers come in every week to test their skills against the conditions...not McCune...if they run into him (I have once already)...it's a tough draw and you do what you can...personally...I like drawing him, granted I'm about 0-5 lifetime, but I see it as a great learning experience...just my two cents
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2006, 08:25:54 AM »
if the tournament rules allow current pba players to enter you know this going in. other than that, this is what competition is all about.

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2006, 10:12:51 AM »
Hey 302efi, I've got a tournament for you, it's you.....and.....no one else! It's perfect! That way your the best there and don't don't have to challange yourself. And you won't get scared off by the big boys.

If you don't have the drive to bowl againest people better then you, you shouldn't be in tournaments at all. Go back to your league, average 220 and shoot your little honor scores, but come on here complaining when someone more talented then you shows up.

PS Steve Wilson wasn't even in the cut trough 4 of the 5 games at our last sweeper.
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Easy10pins

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2006, 11:27:23 AM »
In speaking with some local REGIONAL bowlers, including a pro shop owner, a good number of bowlers decided not to enter the tournament that morning because Smith was bowling.  They watched him practice and it was stated, (I wasn't there), that over 90% of his practice shots were strikes.  The man could not miss that morning.  

I would definitely like to see the stat sheets for the whole tournament.

Going out to practice this morning at the house tomorrows tourney will be held at.


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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2006, 11:46:33 AM »
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Just curious, how much was the entry fee?
What was the paydown from 1st place?
Based on how many entries?

PBA members bowling in local tournaments, and winning connsistently, will kill entries. If the entry was not in the $200-$300 range, more like $75, I would bowl. See how I shoed up.
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2006, 12:12:43 PM »
While I agree with most of the posts and one should not be afraid to lace it up against anyone. There is a slight difference between bowling against the best players in a area and surrounding area and going up against national tour players. That being said, personally I would look at it as an honor for me and a sad commentary for the pro. If they have to bowl against local bowlers in some tourny to pocket a grand, their career is probably not going in the right direction.

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2006, 12:16:55 PM »
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...There is a slight difference between bowling against the best players in a area and surrounding area and going up against national tour players....

...If they have to bowl against local bowlers in some tourny to pocket a grand, their career is probably not going in the right direction.


Very well said !
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2006, 12:18:42 PM »
We have a local scratch association here that has had Blaise Bedolla, Bryon Smith, and recently Chris Warren bowl in it. And if he wanted to bowl, I'm sure Marshall Holman would bowl them. With that said, are these people costing some entries? Sure, but if the rules of the organization or tournament allow them to bowl, then it's no fault of the pros to bowl.

Personally, I don't mind bowling against them as I try and learn something from these guys when I watch them. But it's your money so if you wanna pack up the balls and leave, then its your call.

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2006, 12:26:35 PM »
I think that it is fine for pros to enter tournaments. I would never back out of a tournament just because of certain names being in it. But that is just me.
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Easy10pins

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2006, 01:41:15 PM »
Well I will definitely be in the tourney tomorrow.  My practice is going great, (need to make a new video) and I feel my "A" Game has returned.  

However I do tomorrow, I will post up the standings.
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2006, 04:48:17 PM »
Okay, ive read this topic and i'm going to chime in. I've spent over 20 years working my tail off to get to this point. In high school i drove an hour each way 3 days a week as soon as i got out of school to work with my coaches. I practiced 20-30 games a day, 5 days a week for years. I bowled every local tournament and most throughout the state of Illinois for years. All of that work, all of that sweat and all of my heart went into my career. Now my reward is not being allowed to bowl most of my local association events and many more events around the country. Its even gotten to the point where now i run several events in my hometown, but never bowl. I promote the sport, i coach full time and i support every aspect of the sport. But the sport turns its back on me when i want to compete now. What kind of message does this send to kids. "Hey work as hard as you can to be as good as possible, but be prepared to be shut out of most events because there are people out there that arent willing to invest what you have invested". It really ticks me off that the majority of the people that complain against PBA members bowling in smaller events are the same people that brag about their 230 + averages. If you are really that good, shoe up with anybody that walks through that door. If you dont feel like you are good enough to bowl against the best, stay home ! Growing up i always wanted to bowl against the best in town. When i joined the PBA i wanted to bowl against the best. Some of my best matches have been against hall of famers. To be the best, you have to beat the best. PERIOD ! As for the comment about exempt players not being allowed to bowl regionals, thats horsesh*t ! You obviously dont know what the average player makes. The money isnt good enough out there yet to rely on your National Tour earnings. Not only do i bowl regionals to supplement my income, but they are the best outlet to stay sharp and competitive. Besides, without the top players there would be no regionals. No stars, no pro-am bowlers. No pro-am bowlers, no income for the host centers. No income for the host centers, no regional tour.

I'm sorry for going off on a rant about this, but i've worked to hard for to long for people to say that i'm not allowed to compete because of the level that ive attained. You say its not fair to you, well i say its not fair to me. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, well this is mine
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302efi

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2006, 05:01:36 PM »
Hey Jeff answer me one question...

Since you put so much time into bowling, like:

-Praticing 5 times a week, 25+ games each session

-Coached by good coaches

-Been at it for 20+ years

-Bowling is you job

...how in the hell do you expect a local tourney player to compete with ???

So don't cry that your so good nobody want's you to play with them !!! ROFL !!!

All you do is just take the little guys money, and say "good job, you tried"



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