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Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« on: June 23, 2006, 10:57:54 AM »
This past weekend, Hawaii TV Bowling had a tournament at Barber's Point Bowling Lanes here on Oahu.  To my surprise, Robert Smith aka Maximum Bob had entered the tournament.  Needless to say I put my gear back in my car and didn't bother wasting the entry fee.  He did win the tourny, BTW.

I just want to get opinions on this.  How fair is this to the average/above average bowler to have a PBA professional bowling in a local tournament? (unless he is no longer a touring pro).
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2006, 11:19:08 AM »
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I just want to get opinions on this. How fair is this to the average/above average bowler to have a PBA professional bowling in a local tournament? (unless he is no longer a touring pro).
 


If a bowler decides to get a PBA card his choice is to become a PROFESSIONAL! From that moment on he IS A PROFESSIONAL bowler! No one pushes him into that decision .. in my opinion he has to live by his decision. He 'no longer qualifies' for AMATEUR events!

For those who wish to try their game against the pro's can enter the tour as a GUEST and have FUN ..

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2006, 11:46:20 AM »
Joe, let me give you a few numbers to back up my argument:

During the 05-06 season is was the 47th ranked bowler on tour and my total earnings between the National and Regional Tours was $57,020.00. Take away approximately $25,000.00 in entry fees and travel expenses and that leaves around $32,000.00 profit. Thats not too bad, seeing how there are only 20 National Tour stops and around 20-25 regionals for me to bowl in. First of all that doesnt leave me much time to enter "amateur" or local events. But when i do have a free week or weekend, i would still like to compete in whatever i can find. If the PBA had more events, this would be a non-issue for me.

So far this year on the PGA tour, the 47th ranked golfer has earned $864,176.00. That is for this year through only about 10-12 events. If we competed for the money that the golfers do, you would never see PBA members compete at a local or "amateur" level. But until then even the best bowlers in the world need to supplement their income any way that they can. How can you blame them for that.

The people that complain about things like this are the same people that dont support the Tours or bowling in general. If they would the ratings would be better for the Tour telecasts, the sponsors would start putting up more money, there would be more events to bowl and nobody would be facing these issues.


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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2006, 11:57:15 AM »
Have you ever wondered what would happen if bowling was like golf in that you could not accept prize money unless you declared yourself a professional and you were then banned from playing any amateur events?

Would many of the “amateur” bowlers turn professional so they could compete for money?

Would the increase of “professional” bowlers correspond to an increase in prize funds?

Or would a million bowlers quit because they couldn’t compete for money?  

I know that “amateur” golfers compete for money all the time but no organized tournament can offer a large prize fund that pays cash.

Would you compete in bowling tournament where 1st place was 2 new bowling balls?

The cat is out of the bag and I don’t believe there is any going back but what if?



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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2006, 12:18:49 PM »
I would pay extra to enter in a tournament if it had The Parker.
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2006, 01:05:38 PM »

I have to agree with Jeff Carter on this one. There is no way for the average or even decent pro to make enough money to live on based on the prize funds. If you look you have to be in the top 12 to make 100k nationally. If you factor in expenses, thats not alot of money.

I cant believe that there are so many people scared of the PBA members bowling tournaments. 1st off if they are handicap tournaments, whats the big deal, thats why they have handicap. If they are scratch, YES it is a big challenge to beat the best of the best. What ever happened to "Pride" when you beat the best. I would and have gladly shoe'd up against some of the best. Usually getting beat, but it has made me a much better bowler. I wouldnt trade any of the regional or national stops that I have "Donated" at for anything. It keeps you in check. Bowling on all of these "CHINA Walled up House shots" makes you think you are great. Guess what, on that easy shot you have a better chance of beating the best pros than on a tough shot. They Probably wont carry as much as the Good house bowler.  Also if you bowl them on a tough shot and can keep up. "Hell Yea" Hold your head up and walk out and say "I kept up with those guys today"

If you want to keep bowling against the guys that you can beat up on, then be prepared to get run over by the guys that want to bowl against the best, they might not do it now. But they will eventually.

Do you think Jeff got that good by bowling against house rats?? I dont think so. I dont know Jeff other than bowling a few tourneys in the midwest region, he is pretty humble about his talent. So keep that in mind when you start bashing him.

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2006, 01:08:58 AM »
I like the comparison to the golfers.  You won't see #47 down at the local public links trying to get his team into the three man scramble!!

I don't mean to put myself into Jeff's or any of the Tour Players' class, but I have been a PBA member for coming up 20 years.  I only used bowling as a way to make a living for a couple years in the early '90' when I was unemployed, I wasn't bowling on Tour either.  That is a really brutal way to make a minimal living.

You guys are talking about local stuff, what about the High Roller and stuff like that, I've never bowled one.  Don't allow PBA members.

If the tournament does not allow PBA members and says so, then so be it.  But if they do allow PBA members, then don't bash them for bowling.  Jeff, Robert, or any other member paid their entry fee before starting too, let them bowl.  If you want to bash, tell the tournament directors.
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2006, 08:28:22 PM »
This is my first post in a few months.

I've been reading the boards every now and then, and this is one that deserved my opinion. Jeff is right, there are players that work so hard throughout their lives... potentially putting their families and lives on hold just for their love for the sport... and getting no form of respect from it.

Several people log thousands of miles on the car and frequent flyer miles, every year, to train with and compete against the best in the world and what do we get when we get home? We come home to the unwelcome moans and groans of people back home who think one will take someone's money. It doesn't matter who bowls a particular tournament... chances are the guy who won earned his way to the top in one way or another.

I don't bowl anymore, but when I was on my way out, I stopped going to leagues because it became a task that gave me more headaches than Dave Arnold, Tony Reyes, or Curtis Woods kicking my @$$ at a big scratch tournament around here. Even several locally-prominent scratch tournament bowlers don't even go home to their "home house" to bowl leagues or local tournaments anymore... better yet even some lesser-known PBA members. It's a sad reality.

Anyway, what I said is probably just some rant or some moaning about bad bowlers... it's probably true.

Like what they say to the pba bowlers that didn't like the new exemption system... "If you don't like it, bowl the other tour!" The same goes for you losers who went home crying before the tournament even started.
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2006, 08:19:27 AM »
Went to the local center yesterday with the family to throw a few balls to get ready for a little local tournament this weekend and arrived around 12;30pm. As I walked in, it appeared that half of the center was being used for a tournament and I recognized a few of the regular league bowlers so I started walking down to talk to a few and found out that they were holding a scratch tournament and laid down the 63rd U.S. Open shot. (Yes, they can do that in this house with their machine) The tourney was $89 entry and bowl 8 games across 8 pairs with step-ladder finals to the 5 high total scores. Tourney started at 12:00 and thanks to the wife and her constant tardiness, I missed it. After walking down a little ways, I looked over at the entry/tournament table and Rick (Lawrence) was sitting there so I chatted with him for a few minutes while he told me more about what was going on. He was the tournament director similar to what Jeff Carter does sometimes in his area. I commend them for this by the way. I then noticed that one of our very own and touring professional Chris Johnson (C_J) was bowling so I went over and chatted with him. Also seen the "Experienced Newbie" to the exempt tour, Del Ballard Jr., bowling a few pair down with wife Carolyn watching and supporting him so I went down there and sat and chatted with them also and obviously Del is ultra excited to be back on tour. Observed Del playing straight up 12 with very little swing before migrating inside slowly as the block continued. CJ was "doing his thing" swinging the ball on this tough pattern. AFter 5 Del was +123 and the next behind him was +53. After 7 it became a 2 man show with CJ and Del who eventually made it to the finals. Although I wan't there as I left with the family, Del won by 9 pins (No shame in your game CJ). During the competition, I tried to help another friend of mine who was trying to swing the ball but doesn't have near the hand of CJ by telling him how Del was attacking the shot. He refused to try this method by saying he couldn't throw straight up 12. He continued to average 140 on this shot and he is a normal 200 average house hack with no experience on regional patterns or pro shots at all. The tourney had a good turn out and I am glad other bowlers bowled even with CJ and Del in the field because it was great experience for them. There were a few who were watching and said they were going to enter until CJ and Del came in. For them, I feel for them as they will never be any better until they try. I wish I had known as I would've bowled in a heartbeat and although I have never experienced the US Open shot, I am capable of watching people who are having success and adjusting my game to succeedbased off of my observations. Hopefully, these others who are scared to death of the pros will learn that they are people to and they work extremely hard for their success. If you want to beat them, OUT WORK THEM!!! By the way CJ, there is a Last Man STanding tournament this Sunday at the same center beginning at 10am if you are reading this. Please show up and scare the house hacks off so my odds are raised to 50-50. lol
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2006, 11:26:51 AM »
Good post Charles. Unfortunately last time I came to a last man standing tournament they didn't care that I got in the brackets until I swept them and a few looked pissed at me. These same few people who looked irritated are the same people who I am been beating since I moved up when I was 17. The way I look at it is I still bowl leagues like I did when I was younger and I still bowl tournaments like I did when I was younger. Oh well. I will be in Ft. Laurderdale, FL this weekend helping Storm with seminars for the Jr. Gold tournament being held there so I won't be at Plano. Good luck on the tournament Charles. CJ
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #55 on: July 05, 2006, 12:28:12 PM »
Thanks CJ. Maybe next time bud! Be safe in Florida!
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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2006, 01:05:02 PM »
There are a ton of amateurs that are quite capable of competing on the national tour but decide to remain amateurs because of the money available in tournamnents that don't allow "pro's".  It's not their fault that they have taken their games to the next level. We all have that chance to reach there through practice an getting equipment that suits our game and the conditions we play on. We all put our pants/skirts on the same way - one leg at a time! I would rather lose to Robert Smith or Tommy Jones etc than a BAGGER! (and we know they are out there. Is it fair? Yes Would I bowl it" Yes

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Re: Regarding Pro Bowlers and local tournaments...
« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2006, 01:39:37 AM »
I bowled a tourney last weekend in Mechanicsburg (ABC West---home of the Keystone Open). It was a doubles tourney. Ms. Kulick and Mr. Tomek decided to team up and bowl. His home house and her main practice house. 2 professionals bowling on fluff. 33 doubles teams, they didnt make the top 8. Anything can and will happen.
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