Author Topic: Should you be able to switch back & forth from bowling one handed to two handed? (Read 28083 times)

NHLfan88 · « **on:** April 17, 2012, 04:23:51 PM »

Recent topic was being discussed in my league. If you start the night (or season) throwing the ball with one (or two hands). Should you be able to switch mid game? Should you have a different average both the dumb two handed gimmick, and the normal one hand?

This was brought up when a kid was throwing one handed all night, started shooting his cross lane spares with two hands.

HankScorpio · « **Reply #1 on:** April 17, 2012, 04:29:06 PM »

Coming from a one-hander, I don't see the problem. You're still throwing the ball with the same hand. Im not going to bother going into any more detail than that, since its already pretty clear that you are going to disagree with any point I bring up entirely because you don't like the "dumb gimmick".

NHLfan88 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2012, 04:32:01 PM »

youre not throwing the ball with one hand though. youre throwing it with two.

Then comes the question what if you start throwing back up balls with two hands? How is that legal? In that case how can you tell which hand is still dominant?

Urethane Game · « **Reply #3 on:** April 17, 2012, 04:40:35 PM »

The USBC rules that two handers have a dominate hand in their delivery just like one handers. If a two hander switched back and forth that would be illegal.

http://www.bowlingdigital.com/bowl/node/2473

From the USBC playing rules:

118b/3 A bowler is using the two-handed approach styles with his dominate hand being

his right . Can he pick up his ten pins using only his right hand?

Yes, since both deliveries are with the same dominant hand, the bowler did not change his

delivery and therefore, is not in violation of any USBC rules.

118b/4 A player started league bowling right handed, but later decided to use a two-

handed approach . Is this a change of delivery and in violation of Rule 118b?

No, as long as all deliveries are made with the right hand, this would not be a violation of

Rule 118b.

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Edited by Urethane Game on 4/17/2012 at 2:42 PM

Edited by Urethane Game on 4/17/2012 at 2:43 PM

ronsyl · « **Reply #4 on:** April 17, 2012, 05:58:07 PM »

PbA says it is OKAY as long as you use the same main hand.

arickdm · « **Reply #5 on:** April 17, 2012, 06:35:12 PM »

It's ok to switch because the 2 handed delivery really isn't 2 handed. The ball is kept balanced with the other hand and then as the ball is about to be delivered, only the dominant hand is on it.

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #6 on:** April 17, 2012, 06:41:58 PM »

I always shoot the 2,4,8,10 two handed. Its easier for me to create enough angle to make it. I can usually stand in the same spot as I am standing to throw a strike on handed and come close or make the 2,4,8,10. I probably make it 25% of the time on a THS....Sometimes I'll even throw my strike shots 2 handed. I have had front 8 before 2-handed in league....Only probably do it like 4 or 5 times a year....Whatever gives me the best look or chance to make the spare I would be dumb not to do it....I don't see whats wrong with the rule....

Zanatos1914 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 17, 2012, 07:56:46 PM »

Good question

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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2012, 01:20:32 AM »

No matter what the actual rule is or how the USBC interprets that rules, my opinion is you should have to throw the ball the way you always throw the ball, be it right one-handed,left one-handed, right two-handed or left two-handed. Since you can't switch from right one-handed to left one-handed, I don;t see any reason why you should be allowed to switch from right 2-handed to left 2-handed to to right 1-handed.

The original theory as to why it is not appropriate still holds true, you may get more pins handicap or you may change the team's average cap when switching form one style to the other.

The PBA is another whole ball of wax since no one really cares.

That said, please remember that the great Dick Weber was once fined by the PBA for throwing a back-up ball when the PBA oil pattern for that one specific tournament so obviously favored the left handers by an incredible margin. That fact that he was fined means they, the PBA, knew what they had done and they did not want any right hander changing the odds that they were trying to make a left hander win. Conclusion: never challenge a politicians when he know you knows he's wrong - he'll still make you, the private citizen, pay the maximum penalty.

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HAMMERDOWN103 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 18, 2012, 01:30:57 AM »

I am a two hander and here is the question i would like to pose relating to this topic. If a person is a two hander, does that mean that they MUST use the two handed style for spares? Example, Osku for the most part uses a one handed delivery for spare shots. Frankly i do not see the problem with changing. Two handers can only impart rotation on the ball with one hand, same as someone using only one hand. So the fact that one uses a thumb to balance the ball, and the other uses another hand to balance the ball, doesn't seem to matter. I think the difference in average is a valid point, but honestly how easy is it to switch between those two styles in a night and so on??? And on that note, what if someone cranks on the ball and averages 230, yet only averages 200 when they play the lanes straighter with less rotation? Should they be forced to use a cranker style since they average higher with that style?

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Polish_Hammer · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2012, 11:34:10 AM »

Urethane game already answered this. Yes as long as you are throwing one-handed from the same side as you bowl 2-handed. Whether folks agree with the rule or not,it is the rule until changed

HAMMERDOWN103 wrote on 4/17/2012 11:30 PM:I am a two hander and here is the question i would like to pose relating to this topic. If a person is a two hander, does that mean that they MUST use the two handed style for spares? Example, Osku for the most part uses a one handed delivery for spare shots. Frankly i do not see the problem with changing. Two handers can only impart rotation on the ball with one hand, same as someone using only one hand. So the fact that one uses a thumb to balance the ball, and the other uses another hand to balance the ball, doesn't seem to matter. I think the difference in average is a valid point, but honestly how easy is it to switch between those two styles in a night and so on??? And on that note, what if someone cranks on the ball and averages 230, yet only averages 200 when they play the lanes straighter with less rotation? Should they be forced to use a cranker style since they average higher with that style?

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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 19, 2012, 11:58:41 AM »

No we are not. It looks that way but both Belmo and Randy Pedersen have stated that the left hand comes off the ball before the actual release. The release TECHINCALLY is still one handed. As mentioned many times before on this site in other forums, the opposite hand is nothing more than a glorified wrist brace. I have seen a video of myself and I am the same way. My left hand comes off the ball before the ball passes my slide leg and the release and follow through are completely one handed. At full speed, it does look like a twohanded release. But the fact remains that it isnt. I am defending this because I am living proof.

NHLfan88 wrote on 4/17/2012 2:32 PM:
youre not throwing the ball with one hand though. youre throwing it with two.

Then comes the question what if you start throwing back up balls with two hands? How is that legal? In that case how can you tell which hand is still dominant?

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batbowler · « **Reply #12 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:00:21 PM »

To me the two handed delivery isn't much different from the no thumb bowlers!! They both just use fingers for a higher rev rate only the no thumb people don't use their other hand for balance!!

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trash heap · « **Reply #13 on:** April 19, 2012, 05:14:36 PM »

Does you left hand aid in any rotation of the ball? or is the rotation of the ball done completely with right hand only?

TWOHAND834 wrote on 4/19/2012 9:58 AM:
No we are not. It looks that way but both Belmo and Randy Pedersen have stated that the left hand comes off the ball before the actual release. The release TECHINCALLY is still one handed. As mentioned many times before on this site in other forums, the opposite hand is nothing more than a glorified wrist brace. I have seen a video of myself and I am the same way. My left hand comes off the ball before the ball passes my slide leg and the release and follow through are completely one handed. At full speed, it does look like a twohanded release. But the fact remains that it isnt. I am defending this because I am living proof.

NHLfan88 wrote on 4/17/2012 2:32 PM:

youre not throwing the ball with one hand though. youre throwing it with two.

Then comes the question what if you start throwing back up balls with two hands? How is that legal? In that case how can you tell which hand is still dominant?

Peace doesnt always have to be silent.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 19, 2012, 05:47:12 PM »

Most say the second hand is for support and to help hold the ball during their arm swing. Mainly due to the bowler being too weak to cup the ball and throw it one handed with no thumb in the ball.

There is a local guy here that bowls one handed and throws the ball every bit as fast and with as much revs as Belmo. He has a strong upper body and can really muscle the ball. Belmo obviously can not and needs the second hand to throw the ball basically with no thumb. I have seen others that throw it with out a thumb and only one hand but don't generate the speed and revs as Belmo.

If it were a new wave to change the game as the PBA hyped it to be it would have happened already. Since it hasn't Im guessing it still comes down to the skill and ability of the bowler to create shots, adjust and makes spares. One handed, two handed, with or with out a thumb. It isn't a gimmick its a fact.

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