Was reading a thread with a complaint about how a high average team on a big money league, dropped out one year and bowled on a league that used sport patterns but wasn't sanctioned as a sport league.

Then came back the next year to the big money league with a lower entering average. (They have a cap)

The big money league doesn't allow averages from sanctioned sport leagues, but since that league wasn't sanctioned as a sport league, just as a regular league they had to take them.

And now their crying foul.

I Like that term "Renegade League" a sanctioned league that use's sport/pba patterns but is not sanctioned sport.

All the years everyone complained about the easy league shot and the hi averages, now if you do bowl on a harder shot you might get labeled a sandbagger because your average is lower.

Change the league rules. Make your average be a composite of your highest book average for the past 2,3,4 ect seasons.

Again this is the problem when you have big money in handicap leagues.

You will argue that the league is scratch with a cap. And I say capping a league is just another way to handicap a league.

Without the money there is no incentive to do these things and there is always someone trying to gain an advantage using the rules.

Come on Joe.  Would you rather have everyone get the same amount?  That is one way to keep competitive bowlers out of a league.

Sandbagging is like porn.  You know it when you see it.  Or at least someone said that.  Bowling in a league with sport shots not labeled a sport shot league is shady.  Bowling with glasses and/or after getting lasik is the same as seeing a women in Bermuda shorts.

In my opinion any "BIG MONEY" putting out a shot easier than a SPORT pattern is going to have problems. There is nothing a league can do to keep this from happening.

It doesn't matter what the pattern was for the team that dropped out. They could of easily went to another league that was "THS" and kept their scores low for the year. I am sure that league didn't mind having that team in last place. It's a big flaw in the handicap system, and you add a soft condition to the mix, it's very tempting for bowlers to do this.

I bowl in a Friday night league that uses PBA patterns. We vote every season on being a sport certified league or not. The fact is, most of the guys don't want to pay the extra money for the USBC Sport card, so it gets voted down.

Na, I bowl two other scratch leagues on THS, so those are the averages for my rating.

But if USBC ever goes with a combined average, then I will be one sandbagging MF'er! 

Quote from: milorafferty on August 21, 2012, 10:35:47 AM

I bowl in a Friday night league that uses PBA patterns. We vote every season on being a sport certified league or not. The fact is, most of the guys don't want to pay the extra money for the USBC Sport card, so it gets voted down.

I guess that makes you a renegade! 

Bowling's problem is how they calculate averages...

One starts at 180...and has sticks...

Bowls half a season...And now averages 200...And still has sticks...

Now to get up to 200, one has to be bowling about 220...If one started at
180...

In golf, then calulate your HDCP. on the last 10 scores posted...

In one starts out shooting 90...and then 11 scores later is posting a 79...That
90 score is tossed out...

IMO, bowling should calculate averages over a 30 game period...

After 30 games, the first 3 games score is tossed out...etc etc etc...

After 60 games, your score for games ending at 30 are tossed out...

This way you are for the most part you're using most recent scores to
calculate your average...

Now does anyone in their right mind think this will ever happen...Answer NO...

But bowlers wonder why so many have left the game...

In bowling today there are two types of bowlers...

Those who win pots and those who donate to pots...

And many of the donators are waking up...And either not getting into pots, or
simply leaving the game...


BTW in golf if one plays from the back tees,  his scores are adjusted...Bowling
on a tougher pattern like the Sport shot, is like playing the back tees...

Your score will be affected...

So using a score { average } from a sports league is like turning in a golf score
played from the back tees, but you posted that score as if you played the
forward tees...

Which will get you more HDCP...