Author Topic: so what does my PAP mean? (Read 8396 times)

FastTracker33 · « **on:** July 16, 2006, 04:33:20 AM »

my PAP is..

Over 3 3/4
Up 1 3/8

what does that mean?
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-Brian

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 16, 2006, 09:37:23 PM »

Okay. You win.
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Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

legend4life95 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 16, 2006, 09:38:50 PM »

lol this is too funny!
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FastTracker33 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 16, 2006, 09:45:13 PM »

what's so funny?? all i wanted to know was if he measured my PAP right which im sure he did because every ball and everything Joe gives me works better than what i already had. the ball that he gave me is the only ball i use right now out of 6 i can pick from. he said to me that im supposed to use a ball drilled conventional with a pankake shaped weightblock (im not 100% sure about the weightblock), so i threw it, and threw it like every other ball i throw. it also had a spin to it. so he saw the one line of flare it had and measured everything from there..

what's wrong about that??
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-Brian

FastTracker33 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 16, 2006, 09:59:14 PM »

i dont have a ball that flares little, that's the problem. all of my balls flare a LOT
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-Brian

legend4life95 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 16, 2006, 10:19:02 PM »

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what's so funny?? all i wanted to know was if he measured my PAP right which im sure he did because every ball and everything Joe gives me works better than what i already had.

Its funny b/c you come here and ask if hes doing it right and evrybody tells you he should not be letting yopu throw a house ball not drilled for you. And you still think hes right and could'nt be wrong because hes a pro. Don't get me wrong, he may be a X pro that was on tour and he may know his stuff inside and out, but he should also know better than to tell you to just throw a house ball. You are going to release a house ball differently than if you tossed one of your own balls that is fitted just for you. It would be better for you to throw one of YOUR other balls(even if it flares)and he will be able to get the first initial oil ring off your track and go from there.
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FastTracker33 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 16, 2006, 10:25:20 PM »

that's what im tryin to say! but i guess i'll get my PAP remeasured...
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-Brian

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 16, 2006, 11:04:45 PM »

A person can know how to read ball reaction. A person can know how to bowl on tough conditions. A person can know how to adjust to changes in conditions. That still does not mean that he can translate that into laying out bowling balls and being a good ball driller. Same goes the other way. A person can be the best ball driller out there but not be the best bowler out there let alone a professional bowler.

Legend hit it on the head. It is funny that you come on here asking questions and you are given answers based on the facts you give to us only to tell us that you are pretty sure he did it right. What is funny, is that you know he did it right. But you ask our thoughts only to have all of us say he did it wrong and then want to tell us in return that we must be the ones that are wrong because you are sure he did it right.

But, I know why you did all this. It is all good, my friend.
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Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

FastTracker33 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 16, 2006, 11:09:57 PM »

quote:
A person can know how to read ball reaction. A person can know how to bowl on tough conditions. A person can know how to adjust to changes in conditions. That still does not mean that he can translate that into laying out bowling balls and being a good ball driller. Same goes the other way. A person can be the best ball driller out there but not be the best bowler out there let alone a professional bowler.

Legend hit it on the head. It is funny that you come on here asking questions and you are given answers based on the facts you give to us only to tell us that you are pretty sure he did it right. What is funny, is that you know he did it right. But you ask our thoughts only to have all of us say he did it wrong and then want to tell us in return that we must be the ones that are wrong because you are sure he did it right.

But, I know why you did all this. It is all good, my friend.
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Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

well i only asked this because i wanted to know if he was right (100% right), because i thought he was right, and everyone is saying he's wrong, so im gonna call him and ask to see if he knows another way of doing it (i guess).

BTW: TWOHAND what do you mean by you know why i did all of this? (just to ask)
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-Brian

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 16, 2006, 11:18:35 PM »

You answered that already, hammer. You said you were sure he did it right but all you were waiting for was confirmation from us that your thoughts were correct. Now that you have not gotten that, you are scratching your head about the whole thing and probably wish you had not asked. Also....that is what happens when you are 13 as opposed to 23 or 33. Lack of knowledge brings many questions. Nothing wrong with that.
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Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

FastTracker33 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 16, 2006, 11:31:04 PM »

ooh.. now im confused, should i have him remeasure my PAP, and if so how? could my PAP be right how it is now or is it completly wrong?

im only asking because i want all of my new balls to be perfect because i've never had a ball drilled on my PAP before

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-Brian

FastTracker33 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 16, 2006, 11:36:23 PM »

that's a good idea thanks

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-Brian

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 16, 2006, 11:39:48 PM »

What to bear in mind, is that usually, an "older pro" is stuck in 1980 and still tries to do things the same way they did it back then. Sometimes, they refuse to get with the times and do things the modern way. I would ask around to some of the other bowlers to see who they have drill their stuff and get some opinions as to who they prefer as their ball driller. Just something to think about.
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Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

a_ak57 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 16, 2006, 11:43:29 PM »

Don't focus so much on the number. The main point here is that he used a house ball to get your numbers. Maybe you have a really generic hand so it worked out for you...But I know that for people like me who require specific, unusual pitches (as well as a really ovaled thumb hole) it would never work. I've thrown house balls that "seem" like they fit my hand, and it's not even close to how I normally throw the ball. But it may not be so in your case and the PAP could be close to the same. However, the main point to this is questioning the method. If a driller uses a method that *can* be wrong, then there's something, well, wrong with that.
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- Andy

JohnP · « **Reply #44 on:** July 17, 2006, 10:55:01 AM »

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And if he uses one of those armadillo things I would try using a spinner instead or even a piece of tape.

An Armadillo is very accurate if you correctly identify and mark the first oil ring. But I always confirm the results by marking the PAP with a piece of tape. When it's not correct, it's because I missed seeing the first oil ring, and would have had the same result using the spinner method.

Hammer33 -- The problem I see with the way JH checked your PAP is that he used a conventionally drilled ball but you normally throw fingertip. From what I've seen, a bowler's track is lower with a conventional ball than with a fingertip. When I have a customer that's moving from a conventional to a fingertip, I have him find a ball on the rack that comes close to fitting him fingertip and take his PAP from that. I suggest you go back to JH and ask him to mark the measured PAP on one of your fingertip balls with a piece of white tape. Then throw it. If it appears stationary for the first 10 - 15 feet of travel, the PAP is correct. If not, he needs to locate the PAP with your fingertip ball until the tape does appear stationary. -- JohnP

golfnutFL · « **Reply #45 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:22:54 AM »

So what would 5 1/2 over and 1 3/8 up mean? from my equipment I would say that I have a low to mid track area, is that what my PAP reflects?
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