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FastTracker33

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so what does my PAP mean?
« on: July 16, 2006, 04:33:20 AM »
my PAP is..

Over 3 3/4
Up 1 3/8

what does that mean?
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2006, 12:35:31 PM »
I would have to question that measurment. Not saying it's wrong, just never see or heard of one near that.
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2006, 12:40:38 PM »
it was measured by a pro bowler..
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2006, 12:42:15 PM »
Brian,

Check out this FAQ page, it will have all the information you ever wanted, LOL. (By the way, my PAP was near yours at one point)

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5

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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2006, 12:44:40 PM »
i know what it means (PAP) but i wanted to know what mine meant..
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2006, 12:52:29 PM »
What that particular PAP means (at least from what I was told) is that you are a medium tracker. You track is between 1-2" from the thumb and finger holes...

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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2006, 01:00:23 PM »
yes if i know correctly my track is around there.. so what does it mean to be a medium tracker?
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2006, 01:13:30 PM »
I would say that 3 3/4 is low, not medium.  Usually means you come around the ball more than most - a lot of axis rotation.  Up 1 3/8 is a lot.  I would guess you have a lot of axis tilt as well.

Your PAP tells me that you get a lot of length and struggle on anything heavy.  You do your best when the lanes dry out and others struggle to get the ball down the lane.

Why didn't you ask the pro who measured it what it meant?
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2006, 01:17:57 PM »
well im going to see him again this Friday but i wanted to see what everyone here says first..

and Nails that is a pretty accurate response thanks
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2006, 01:39:24 PM »
Keep in mind, it's not always cut and dry like that.  The infamous example is Michael Fagan.  He has a PAP like yours, maybe even a little more "spinner-esque", yet his ball roll on the lane is that of a typical bowler without much tilt.
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2006, 03:39:53 PM »
Based on your description of your track being in the 1-2" range from the fingers and thumb and your PAP being over 3 3/4 up 1 3/8. I suspect that it wasn't measured properly. When they measured your PAP what method did they use 6 3/4, Armadillo, or spinner?
Many beleive that the 6 3/4 method is accurate enough but in reality it can be off by a great deal. The only time that your axis will actually be 6.75 from your track is if you are a full roller. On the other hand you could have a very low track but still have a PAP that is over 6.75 from the bridgeline. It is the location of the track as a whole that determines the PAP, not how close it is to the gripping holes.
Contrary to popular belief the amount of tilt and rotation you have doesn't determine your PAP. Axis tilt determines how big your track diameter is. The only way that your PAP is affected by rotation angle is by the ammount you turn the ball after your thumb has exited the ball. The more turn you get after the thumb exits the lower your axis will be vertically. For this reason an inverted track is more common with crankers, since they typically have an early thumb exit and have their fingers below the equator of the ball giving them more lag time between the thumb exit and finger exit. This gives them more time to get around the ball after thumb exit.

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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2006, 03:45:10 PM »
quote:
Based on your description of your track being in the 1-2" range from the fingers and thumb and your PAP being over 3 3/4 up 1 3/8. I suspect that it wasn't measured properly. When they measured your PAP what method did they use 6 3/4, Armadillo, or spinner?
Many beleive that the 6 3/4 method is accurate enough but in reality it can be off by a great deal. The only time that your axis will actually be 6.75 from your track is if you are a full roller. On the other hand you could have a very low track but still have a PAP that is over 6.75 from the bridgeline. It is the location of the track as a whole that determines the PAP, not how close it is to the gripping holes.
Contrary to popular belief the amount of tilt and rotation you have doesn't determine your PAP. Axis tilt determines how big your track diameter is. The only way that your PAP is affected by rotation angle is by the ammount you turn the ball after your thumb has exited the ball. The more turn you get after the thumb exits the lower your axis will be vertically. For this reason an inverted track is more common with crankers, since they typically have an early thumb exit and have their fingers below the equator of the ball giving them more lag time between the thumb exit and finger exit. This gives them more time to get around the ball after thumb exit.

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i dont know exactly what is was but i know it was made by AMF, it was plastic,  it had lines all over it that your supposed to line up with the oil line, and it probably covered half the ball. i will talk to the guy that measured it for me and see what he says, but is this a bad PAP?
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Edited on 7/16/2006 3:41 PM

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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2006, 06:10:15 PM »
Sounds like he used the Armadillo to get your pap. Get him to try it one more time, but this time use a plasic ball so you don't get any flare. This will make it much easier and more accurate.

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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2006, 06:16:07 PM »
i used a house ball that fit me..
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Re: so what does my PAP mean?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2006, 06:56:52 PM »
quote:
i used a house ball that fit me..
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LOL.  A pro had you use a house ball to measure your PAP???  Better RUN to find a new proshop.
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