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DON DRAPER

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the deep in side line
« on: July 10, 2003, 06:54:57 AM »
how many of our viewers routinely play/favor the deep inside line( left of the 5th arrow )? i praciced at my house today and lane 15 hooked like never before( and i mean NEVER ). lane 16 was typical for the middle of the day---swing 12 out to 6-7 and back. i played my monster frenzy between the 5th and 6th arrow out to 10-12. this is FAR left of my comfort zone as i almost never have to play there. however, it was good practice. more side turn was required to ensure length. a miss left was brooklyn and a miss too far right was hook out and quit. all in all, i fared better than i though i would and it was a learning experience.

 

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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2003, 11:00:25 PM »
Usually 5th arrow is where I end up on a normal league night.  I start at 4th, and I always increase speed and move about a board left every game.  Just as a precaution . .
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2003, 12:21:33 AM »
I play around 5th arrow in practice sometimes, especially around tournament time, just to stay tuned on that line.

It is definately far from my comfort zone. I normally play closer to 3rd arrow.

There is far too much oil inside where I bowl to play 5th arrow regularly.
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2003, 08:02:16 AM »
Gabe...  Even though you may have good hand with o.k. speed you might not have the correct release to play inside.  If you can not creat the correct entry angle and the ball is coming into the pocket "flat" you will leave a lot of 10 pins, etc.  Just a thought...

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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2003, 09:16:25 AM »
Gabe,

One thing that I have noticed over the years, is that when I get deep inside, I also have to adjust my ball speed.  As the last post reads, if you come in too flat, you will leave lots of ten pins.  I am a high rev player, but also a high track player.  What I do, providing I have the oil in the fronts, is get deep with a pearlized reactive (Cuda 2000, Messenger Ti Pearl), and slow my ball speed down from 17.5, my normal speed, to around 16.  This will allow the ball the time to create that backend move in order to kick out those pesky corner pins.  Your ball of choice may be different due to your style, the lane surface, and the lane condition.  I bowl on a standard crown oiled to about 37 feet.  So, I can get away with slowing down my ball speed without having to worry about the ball jumping too early.  But, the ball makes all the difference.  Tend to stay away from particles when playing deep as they burn up to early and quit before they get to the pindeck.  Solids, you may be able to get away with it providing there is enough polish to get through the heads and conserve energy well for a backend move.  But, due to my experience, pearlized REACTIVES drilled to get down the lane and jump, tend to work the best for me.  I hope this helps you out, Gabe.  Good luck with this in the future.
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2003, 10:25:16 AM »
Between 3rd and 4th arrow is my comfort zone.  My local house has old wood lanes, and the track area tends to dry out really quickly (like 4 or 5 frames).  I often need to move deeper, but I have trouble walking around the ball return on the right lane (I'm right handed) to get as deep as I need to.  The left lane is no problem.  Any tips for dealing with ball returns on deep inside lines?

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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2003, 11:52:11 AM »
I am a medium speed-low rev bowler. I cannot play any deeper than the 3rd arrow and don't do that real real successful.... seems 13 out to 8 is my range. Is this because I am a low rev bowler and the lack of revs might keep the ball from turning back strong enough to do anything?
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2003, 01:28:50 PM »
I LOVE THAT LINE!!!
Don't get to play it much, though. But I love it.
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2003, 05:53:53 PM »
I was going to post a similar question, but since it's already here......In one of my summer leagues the shot is real dry. Wood lanes that soak up the oil fast. My ball comes back dry as a whistle. I stand on 30 as the night starts and end up on top of the ball return on the right lane by the end of the night. with my style I have a deep knee bend and roll it right  at the line. My ball tends to hook early because of this. so I keep moving right as the night goes on. My carry is suspect but my accuracy is great. should i move right and throw harder or get a ball with more length?
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2003, 06:08:01 PM »
I've seen this when I watched local PBA tourneys when they oil at 7 AM and not again until the next day. They seem to insist on using strong resin and they loft over the gutter cap.
 
However, I have bowled my own local tournaments on old wood lanes, where there is literally no oil anywhere on the lane. Yet, I am able to play just inside the 4th arrow with my Blue Hot Flame or between the 3rd and 4th arrow with my Blue Dot, with both goign out to around the 5 board. I have fairly decent revs on the ball and medium slow speed so I usually throw a decent sized hook; yet I have never had to play inside the 5th arrow. Only time I had to play 5th arrow was at the ABCs.

So my question is why do you have to play this deep?
Slow speed and maximum revs
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are you using a ball too strong for this condition ?
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did they sand the lane surface?
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why??
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2003, 07:12:15 PM »
My normal ball speed is 16-17mph. I'm using a 15lb polished smashr. I normally use 16lb stuff. I thought that if I polished the smashr with its lighter weight, I could have success. I reach the pocket with no problem, yet my carry percentage is bad. I'll average 5-6 strikes a game. I'm averaging 194 there. I have no  idea if they sanded the lane surface. I would have to ask the manager. On med conditions i stand on 25 and swing out to  10. Here I have to start at 30 and I move 2 boards every 5 frames.
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2003, 09:26:56 PM »
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NYBowler: My normal ball speed is 16-17mph. I'm using a 15lb polished smashr. I normally use 16lb stuff. I thought that if I polished the smashr with its lighter weight, I could have success. I reach the pocket with no problem, yet my carry percentage is bad. I'll average 5-6 strikes a game. I'm averaging 194 there. I have no  idea if they sanded the lane surface. I would have to ask the manager. On med conditions i stand on 25 and swing out to  10. Here I have to start at 30 and I move 2 boards every 5 frames.
Help.


The SmashR is a strong ball; I see no reason to use it on such a dry codnition.
Why not try a very mild Brunswick ball like the Power Groove or even a pearl urethane???
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2003, 12:02:02 AM »
Lol, get a Urethane Groove, the Power Groove is a MONSTER.  It hooks like crazy.
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2003, 12:25:44 AM »
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Lol, get a Urethane Groove, the Power Groove is a MONSTER.  It hooks like crazy.
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But it's still 2 factors/degrees below a SmashR!
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Re: the deep in side line
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2003, 07:21:01 AM »
I know that the smashr is a strong ball. I was hoping that by polishing it and using a lighter ball that maybe I wouldn't have to buy another ball. I stopped using 15lb stuff  while ago. I was hoping that I could save myself a few bucks. I did talk to my proshop guy about the problem and we decided to check out his used stuff after one more try on Mon.
I had originally bought a RevMaster for such conditions thinking it a milder ball but it's way to strong for light oil.
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