Author Topic: There is NO Such Thing As A Heavy Oil Bowling Ball (Read 25867 times)

Necromancer · « **on:** March 25, 2007, 11:30:03 AM »

I came to this conclusion today as I saw yet another tournament filled with high performance balls just skid straight to the head pins by 200 + average bowlers. What I really liked about this tournament is that Ebonite supposedly sponsored it and was giving Total NV balls to entrants that paid the extra fee. What was funnier was watching these NV's nail the 3 pin shot after shot. It really put a smile on my face to see what some call "The Greatest Bowling Ball Ever" look like garbage. Some bowlers were even willing to trash their new NV's after the tournament. So hilarious!

Back to the point. I don't think any manufacturer should be able to say their ball performs on heavy oil. In the end, no ball hooks in heavy oil and I don't care if you throw it 10 mph or put 600 rpms on the ball. It will just go straight. When you are in tournament conditions where the walls are flooded and the oil is spread past 50 feet, give me a break. The best ball is a straight ball to the pocket. Hooking is impossible.

Bottom line: No HEAVY OIL bowling ball exists.

Discuss!

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xxZonexx · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:35:12 PM »

Greensburgh open

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Eddie M · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:37:47 PM »

Well resin balls were never really meant to be true heavy oil balls, without having at least some sort of backend to recover on.

Old school urethane balls like the Blue Hammer or Stringray will work better on those lane conditions than a resin ball will.

LowRG · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:43:35 PM »

Where did you hear the Total NV was a heavy oil ball? It is a pearlized reactive resin bowling ball. That for the most part means medium. Unless there s surface work involved. Now, if you told me that 360-grit TNV's were skidding 55-feet, then by all means you have a valid point. Find a particle ball. There is your oiler.

The SuperHitMan · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:45:12 PM »

Bottom line: No HEAVY OIL bowling ball exists.

Yes they do.-Ernie McCracken pt 2

Gotta go with Ernie on this one
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230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:46:17 PM »

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Where did you hear the Total NV was a heavy oil ball? It is a pearlized reactive resin bowling ball. That for the most part means medium. Unless there s surface work involved. Now, if you told me that 360-grit TNV's were skidding 55-feet, then by all means you have a valid point. Find a particle ball. There is your oiler.

(sarcasm on)

Come on, now.

Certainly you've heard of large volume, 2:1, long pattern sport leagues with polished reactive pearlized equipment ruling the roost.

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NateNice · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:49:49 PM »

I disagree. Obviously if there is 60 feet of oil, blocked across the entire lane, it's impossible for any material to hook. However, this is never the case.

Today for instance I was on a shot that had a lot of carry down. I tried using a Vapor Zone and it got through fine but when it got to the back end, it couldn't deal with the oil. I took out a Fury and it didn't care about the carry down at all.

This was a "heavy oil" condition in that there wasn't much backend at all because of the carry down. but the fury makes its move a bit in the midlane and then plows through an oilier backend with ease. However, on a shorter shot with a clean back end, this ball would be hard to control. A ball like a Vapor Zone would skid until the back end and then make a move.

I'd agree you could apply enough oil to a lane where the ball doesn't matter. But this is never the case.

slap · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:51:26 PM »

heavy oil? three letters..

WMB

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Necromancer · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:55:44 PM »

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Greensburgh open ??
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Yeah were you there? I had a good first game and then it all went downhill after that. Top score of the day was like 220. Saw a lot of gutter balls.

On the TNV, was mentioning it since a lot of people were using them and nailing the 3 pin frame after frame.

I was unaware there were true heavy oil balls in old Urethane balls. I will need to check out the Blue Hammer. I did see some Rhinos there and they hooked somewhat. But like the other balls, go past the 10 board on either side, 99% of the time the ball went into the gutter. I never threw a ball in the gutter today but did hit Brooklyn a lot. Having a handicap of 4 meant I need to hit 650 or so to get to finals. I obviously didn't.

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The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
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Necromancer · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:58:08 PM »

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Reactive balls werent meant for Heavy Oil, Thats why Particle balls were made and thats what i use. Particle balls handle everything for me and most people medium oil and above. My EPX T1, Phenom, Fear Factor, Freak, are all heavy oil balls that i have owned. Balls that have strong weightblocks, stronger coverstocks(anything sanded particle) are basically heavy oil balls. I get my EPX T1 to move on flooded conditions. Anything for medium-heavy oil I use particle balls or my EPX T1 due to the extremely agressive coverstock. Playing the right line and useing a sanded particle coverstock will handle any oil you throw at them.
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I have been curious on the EPX T1. It is known to be great in oil. But then I heard stories of the ball cracking apart and then sucking after games were put on the ball. Does your still work good? If it does, I may get one just to have for tournaments only. This way I can prevent too much oil building into the ball. Let me know!

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Storm X-Factor Vertigo
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Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

fins4ever88 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:00:47 PM »

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Reactive balls werent meant for Heavy Oil, Thats why Particle balls were made and thats what i use. Particle balls handle everything for me and most people medium oil and above. My EPX T1, Phenom, Fear Factor, Freak, are all heavy oil balls that i have owned. Balls that have strong weightblocks, stronger coverstocks(anything sanded particle) are basically heavy oil balls. I get my EPX T1 to move on flooded conditions. Anything for medium-heavy oil I use particle balls or my EPX T1 due to the extremely agressive coverstock. Playing the right line and useing a sanded particle coverstock will handle any oil you throw at them.
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I have been curious on the EPX T1. It is known to be great in oil. But then I heard stories of the ball cracking apart and then sucking after games were put on the ball. Does your still work good? If it does, I may get one just to have for tournaments only. This way I can prevent too much oil building into the ball. Let me know!
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Current Arsenal
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

It's easy to tell if the ball is oil-soaked or not. If it is lighter in color, the ball is fine. When it gets darker, there is too much oil and it needs a hot-water bath. If you don't mind giving it an oil-extraction every 5-10 games or so, it should be good to you (assuming it doesn't crack).
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Necromancer · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:05:25 PM »

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Yeah my EPX T1 is fine and is my Particle ball that is easy to clean but requires high matience. When this ball is done being used you give the ball a hot water bath and the ball is brand new again and always will be. This is the strongest coverstock in bowling, then Particle, then Reactive. Other great balls are the AMB Centuar Particle, Super Carbide Bomb, Weapon of Mass Bias, and the Mammoth. My brother also has an EPX T1 for the same reason.
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Edited on 3/25/2007 8:03 PM

I saw the coverstock is Epoxy. Is this a new coverstock? Do other balls use epoxy?
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Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

fins4ever88 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:09:04 PM »

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quote:
Yeah my EPX T1 is fine and is my Particle ball that is easy to clean but requires high matience. When this ball is done being used you give the ball a hot water bath and the ball is brand new again and always will be. This is the strongest coverstock in bowling, then Particle, then Reactive. Other great balls are the AMB Centuar Particle, Super Carbide Bomb, Weapon of Mass Bias, and the Mammoth. My brother also has an EPX T1 for the same reason.
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Edited on 3/25/2007 8:03 PM

I saw the coverstock is Epoxy. Is this a new coverstock? Do other balls use epoxy?
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Current Arsenal
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

Epoxy is why Columbia was sold. They spent so many years in research and development of the coverstock, just for the ball to flop and cause them to lose all the money they spent on it. A couple of test balls from AMF (Velocity, you can find them on Ebay) can be found with Epoxy, but that's about it.
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Eddie M · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:13:43 PM »

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I was unaware there were true heavy oil balls in old Urethane balls. I will need to check out the Blue Hammer. I did see some Rhinos there and they hooked somewhat.

Back before and during the time resin balls became widely used, several ball manufacturers release some really good equipment that can be used even today for extreme oil conditions. Balls like the Blue Hammer from Faball, Stringray from Columbia, Crush from Ebonite, or the Yellow/Purple Angles, or Cobra from AMF, will all hook when a resin ball skids thru the deck. Just stand right, and throw them up the twig, and you will get an even arching look all day long.

If you really want the same look as a resin ball will give you, then get yourself particle ball (although I hate particle balls). But in a really soup, a urethane ball will give you a consistent look, while anyone newer covers, will make you work alot harder to find and maintain the shot.

These are just my opinions though.. and what do I know.

Necromancer · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:15:25 PM »

Thanks for tips. My next couple of bowling balls will be particle. Screw these crazy weight blocks in more reactive-resin coverstocks. I guess the majority of people play on medium conditions or house shots. I have been playing on some ridiculously hard lanes with flooded conditions up to 50 feet. Will look for a WMB since it is relatively cheap new from bowlingball.com. The Mammoth is also cheap. I might get the EPX for its Epoxy, and a particle ball just to have all lane conditions covered.

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Current Arsenal
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

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