Author Topic: Top weight ? (Read 3784 times)

xxZonexx · « **on:** March 28, 2008, 07:07:31 AM »

When ordering a ball , what does top weight effect ?

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Storm
Specail Agent
Domination
Spit Fire (4.5 x 5)
Jolt Pearl

novawagonmaster · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2008, 03:11:06 PM »

Drilling options.
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Jon (in Ohio)
aka: Rico Swerve~

shelley · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2008, 03:12:30 PM »

It can affect drilling options, just as pin length can. It doesn't have to, and anywhere from 2-4oz is perfectly manageable.

Maybe it affects the ball's reaction, maybe not. If it does, it's a very slight effect that, frankly, no one on this site is talented enough to notice.

I would be wary of a ball with more than 4oz of starting top weight unless you knew what you were doing.

SH

xxZonexx · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2008, 03:12:34 PM »

Ok, does top weight make the ball flip more, if its higher amount like 2-3 oz ?
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Storm
Specail Agent
Domination
Spit Fire (4.5 x 5)
Jolt Pearl

shelley · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2008, 03:14:57 PM »

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Ok, does top weight make the ball flip more, if its higher amount like 2-3 oz ?

No. If you want a flippy ball, buy one that's designed to do it. Don't rely on static weights or the pin/top.

SH

xxZonexx · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2008, 03:40:27 PM »

ok cuz im trying to get away from the flipy reactions looking for a bowling ball that will give me a more even look.

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Storm
Specail Agent
Domination
Spit Fire (4.5 x 5)
Jolt Pearl

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2008, 03:42:20 PM »

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ok cuz im trying to get away from the flipy reactions looking for a bowling ball that will give me a more even look.

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Storm
Specail Agent
Domination
Spit Fire (4.5 x 5)
Jolt Pearl

Looking at your signature, your Special Agent should fit the bill on heavier volumes of oil. Did you need something smoother for more medium to light patterns?

shelley · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2008, 04:33:56 PM »

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ok cuz im trying to get away from the flipy reactions looking for a bowling ball that will give me a more even look.

The flip-side of that is also true. If you want a smooth ball, buy one. Some balls are flippy by nature, there's only so much you can do to mediate that.

The knee-jerk reaction to "trying to get away from the flippy reactions" is to say "don't buy Storm".

A lot of Storm's equipment seems to be strong in the backend, and their usual 1500-grit polished finish only enhances that. That isn't to say they don't make smoother-rolling pieces, but you might have to adjust the surface to smooth out that backend. 4000-grit Abralon instead of 1500-grit polish will give you similar oil-handling abilities (maybe a little stronger) but will be smoother on the backend.

Alternatively, instead of drilling a ball with a longer pin-to-PAP to reduce the reaction, using a very short pin-to-PAP, less than 2", can go a long way towards getting rid of flippy ball reaction. And, dare I say it? A Rico layout?

SH

xxZonexx · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2008, 04:51:51 PM »

I dont know why I switched to storm, but before then i used brunswick and i had a more even reaction that helped me on more demanding patterns. I have store stuff now i rolled the spit fire great, but some of there other pieces are more flippy, domination t road prl , ect, but they are flippy by nature. Maybe i should make the switch back to brunswick, I have been looking at the ultra zone...

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Storm
Specail Agent
Domination
Spit Fire (4.5 x 5)
Jolt Pearl

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2008, 05:00:29 PM »

Storm has a good amount of rolly equipment these days. Special Agent, Secret Agent, Sure Fire, and Thunderstruck Solid for example can all be pretty smooth if you use a sanded finish instead of a polished finish. More often than not the polished finish they like to use on most pearl equipment and some solids is what gives it the skid/snap look.

xxZonexx · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2008, 09:54:00 PM »

Iv been chaning my span lately and im so dam furstrated, its not even funny i try something it dosnt feel right.... ect. Well tonight i was using a ball that is drilled for a guy that works at the lanes, awesome finish. SPan is like 4 1/2 4 9/16, with thumb pitch of 1/4 reverse. THis ball is short for me but it feels good, i threw good with it i shot 279 289 with it tonite. I get a good release with it clean off my hand, Another thing i noticed is this ball has no thumb grips, i use thumb grips , but this feels better. I dont know what to do... Help;

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Storm
Specail Agent
Domination
Spit Fire (4.5 x 5)
Jolt Pearl

JessN16 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2008, 11:42:38 PM »

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Iv been chaning my span lately and im so dam furstrated, its not even funny i try something it dosnt feel right.... ect. Well tonight i was using a ball that is drilled for a guy that works at the lanes, awesome finish. SPan is like 4 1/2 4 9/16, with thumb pitch of 1/4 reverse. THis ball is short for me but it feels good, i threw good with it i shot 279 289 with it tonite. I get a good release with it clean off my hand, Another thing i noticed is this ball has no thumb grips, i use thumb grips , but this feels better. I dont know what to do... Help;

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Storm
Specail Agent
Domination
Spit Fire (4.5 x 5)
Jolt Pearl

We're similar. I have mostly Storm stuff but I also have an Awesome Finish.

Mo Pinel owns/designs MoRich stuff. In my opinion and from extensive experience buying Mo-designed balls ever since he was with other companies, he desigs hard-rolling, non-flippy stuff. That ball also has a Brunswick cover on it and for me, Brunswick covers want to roll, not flip.

There are some Storm pieces that roll by nature, but you can make almost any Storm piece rolly by the surface prep. My suggestion is to take the surface on your Storm pieces down a notch or two (i.e., from 1500 to 1000, or from 1000 to 800 or 600). That will help you a lot.

In *MY* experience, the following companies' balls tend to roll rather than flip: Brunswick, Lane #1, MoRich, Legends/LaneMasters.

The following tend to be more angular: Storm, Roto Grip, Visionary, Ebonite.

I've not thrown any Columbia, Hammer or Track since Ebonite bought them. Prior to the buyout, Columbia and Track tender to roll rather than flip. But with Ebonite coverstocks now, that might have changed.

As for AMF, it was the most angular of the old Columbia-poured companies to me, but I haven't thrown any of their stuff since they've aligned with 900 Global. I would guess that both companies are probably somewhere in the middle.

I have not thrown Banger at all. I have not thrown Elite, either, but I would expect them to be in the "roll" category.

However, it's mostly about coverstock prep, layout and core design, far more so than it is about any specific company. Your mileage may vary.

Jess

xxZonexx · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2008, 11:56:27 PM »

Yeah, I used brunswick for one season, this is how it looked

1/11/07 shot 300, Dynothane threshold ( yeah i know not brunswick)
2/20/07 shot 300, 800 with Orig Inferno
4/3/07 shot 299 with the fury
5/21/07 shot 300 on my birth day with the fury.

League adverage was 211.00

Since the switch to strom stuff, because the quick death of the fury's and not really liking the newer release's

No honor scores, higher avg 218.00 but thats because of the lessons iv been taking and working on things better in practice.

Iv even went back and looked at old layouts Iv used. Equipt ment that worked well for me was Pin under drillings, stacked drillings for instance how this morich ball is laid out. And never a pin longer then 5.5 inches from my axis.

So right now im not sure what i want to buy, I looked at a Ultra Zone, Awesome finish is a good ball for the price, even looked at the new LevRg's

Im not sure yet i dont know what to do for my span eather, I know right now i have to much reverse thumb pitch. See the thing is, i know the ball im using that is not mine, is to short, but it FEELS good, i know if i use the same thumb pitches and finger pitches but make the span longer, i will hang up. Thats whare i dont know what to do....
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Storm
Specail Agent
Domination
Spit Fire (4.5 x 5)
Jolt Pearl

T-GOD · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2008, 11:59:29 PM »

Aside from the balls themselves, lower top weight(bottom weight) usually gives you a more of an arcing reaction, whereas higher amounts of top usually make the ball stronger on the backend. =:^D

JohnP · « **Reply #14 on:** March 29, 2008, 11:50:00 AM »

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Im not sure yet i dont know what to do for my span eather, I know right now i have to much reverse thumb pitch. See the thing is, i know the ball im using that is not mine, is to short, but it FEELS good, i know if i use the same thumb pitches and finger pitches but make the span longer, i will hang up. Thats whare i dont know what to do....

"Proper" fit varies from customer to customer. There are no absolutes. If you've found a ball that feels good to you and performs well, I suggest you try to buy it from the owner. If he won't sell, ask if you can take it to the pro shop and have the driller copy the fit for you. A good driller should be able to make the new ball feel just like the old one, unless the owner has done a lot of adjustment (sanding, carving) to the holes - especially the thumb hole. If that's the case I'd ask the owner to let you have a custom thumb mold made from his ball. -- JohnP

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