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tenpinspro

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Why try Motiv?
« on: March 16, 2011, 06:33:53 PM »
Let's start off by stating that I am not on Motiv staff, not being compensated nor am I representative for the company so anything I say is strictly my humble opinion.
 
What do I like about Motiv?  Being a shop operator for many years, it never ceases to amaze me how many customers want hook, hook and more hook.  Yet I see their scores/averages either stay the same or watch them brutally try and heave balls down the dry just to hold pocket (which basically is trying to match speed to rev ratio).  Unfortunately, a high percentage of bowlers still like "2nd arrow" and getting left of that becomes an uncomfortable angle or area to throw.  Too many balls these days offer way too much built in hook which has taken that "2nd arrow" away from the bowler causing them to leave their comfort zone. 
 
Yes, there are many ways to drill a ball so they all don't hook as much but within that there are still limits as to what can be done before we take away natural characteristics of ball cover/core and design. Along with exotic layouts (which I have done many, currently throwing pin past pap layout), it is very possible that by the time we get a forced reaction, we sacrifice other parts of what the ball was designed to do or we no longer get proportionate amounts of skid/hook/roll which can then affect hitting power. 
 
With Motiv's current design that I've seen, they don't "over hook" which is a nice needed change of pace these days.  Here's the math, if you do play 10 board (pocket exists on 17), we only need 7 boards of hook.  Most balls on the market today possess way more than that. So now what happens is you are forced to swing that ball but your "A" game is not swinging. Hence the difficulty in repetition which can then result in sub standard scores.
 
I don't have the entire line to help offer suggestions to your individual game but I'm sure Justin here can help you with that.  If by chance I do get to drill up more Motiv equipment, I will more than happy to help as well.

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Edited by tenpinspro on 3/31/2011 at 10:10 PM
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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 05:22:10 AM »
I've never thrown a Motive ball but two things that stand out to me is ball rack appeal. I can't think of a company that makes a better looking bowling ball. Second, I finally got to see one in action and they weren't kidding about the ball sounding different when it hits the pins. Somehow there is an utter lack of sound when the ball hits the pins. I'm not sure what effect the lack of sound has on the quality of the ball, but it is something that stands out about Motive.

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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 05:34:28 AM »
     I would like to chime in here if I may. I have had many people ask the same question "why try motiv?"...well, why not? You have hit the nail on the head in my opinion about there intentions, they are not out making the next hook monster. They are filling gaps in their own line up...which every other company should do. You are right, they don't hook alot (but they can..:)) they roll very well, are predictable and hit very well. I myself owned and operatored a shop for about 2 years and got out due to a career change, but I always heard "I want that ball because it HOOKS..." well, it does, but is that going to make your average go up?
     If you actually take the time to look at MOTIV's current line-up, from top-to-bottom...you will see they offer the best and most versatile choices out there right now. The line-up is not top heavy with hook monsters. The line-up is solid and every ball they produce will do what the design intent is of the ball if the driller knows the characteristics of the ball and matches proper layout to the bowler.....IMHO
 
 
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JOE FALCO

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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 08:38:34 AM »

Rick .. have to agree with you .. I have only one Motiv ball and it's the CRUEL .. since I have it (bought it when it was first announced) I have a tough time leaving it home! Bowl in three different houses and also a Travel league .. the ball always rolls good for me. If I haven't had so many health problems I KNOW I would have owned more! Great ball .. (As a side note .. Rick .. always good to see you posting!)

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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 02:33:37 PM »
One of my main points to this gentlemen/ladies is that  many bowlers have the potential to perform well, when allowed to do what he/she is comfortable in doing. This game is about repetition so when we force ourselves to do something out of the ordinary, that motion/exercise becomes harder to repeat.
 
With the aggressive strength of much of today's current market, it has forced many bowlers to "change" to some degree.  The width and length of a bowling lane has not changed so the bowler has to.  We've even heard the term "trick" layout, know what the trick part means?  It's to find a way to imbalance the core so the ball doesn't hook off the lane or at our feet due to its overpowering characteristics.
 
For you golfers: If you have a 7 iron distance shot, you don't want to take your 5 iron, choke down and try a 3/4 swing do you?  Match the tool needed for the job required. Hope this helps explain some...


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lsf_21

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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 02:45:47 PM »
I have a recon and while I like the ball quite.
It doesnt sound any different when it hits the pins and leaves just as many corners as every other ball I throw.
 I personally prefer my Ebonite balls to it, but to each his own.
 
I have yet to leave my recon at home though. 
 
 

 
Edited by lsf_21 on 3/17/2011 at 2:48 PM

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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 08:05:24 PM »
I opted for the Silver Recon.  I prefer to play outside of 5 on league nights and the Recon sets up very nicely.  Actually, my Silver Recon and Storm Natural Pearl at the 2 balls I pull out first, even on a fresh league shot.  I prefer to play a part of the lane no one is playing.  While other bowlers are trying to cross as many boards possible, for me straighter is greater.  
  


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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2011, 06:12:47 AM »
I am new to motive and the best thing about this product for me is the fact I am no longer standing in front of the ball return midway in the first game.

Sound=BOOM there was guys going in to the shop and still do any time I throw my QZ2 and talk about how loud the bang is. This ball has big sound and pins fly for me.

So I would just like to thank MOTIV for producing a product that is not about hook but about scores and they have done that well.

 

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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2011, 07:43:14 AM »
IF bowling  proprietors and the powers that be  that run bowling centers would put  out a more blended lane condition  where multiple types of players could  play different lines that would  lead to players of different  characteristics being able to play all  over.  That's NOT to be as  almost all have opted to put out the wet/dry  "wall:"
 
Motiv  makes some good stuff.  I have a  QZ-1 Red that I like but I also can  use other equipment so it's not the  end all to be all.
 
"For   you golfers: If you have a 7  iron distance shot, you don't want to   take your 5 iron, choke down and  try a 3/4 swing do you?  Match the   tool needed for the job required.  Hope this helps explain some..."
 
Rick,    I'll disagree with  this as many should be carrying less than 14 and   learn half shots, etc.  and would score better.  Walk and carry 8-10   clubs in a small Sunday bag  and enjoy the game as it was intended   rather than make it a frustrating  experience.  I am all for the   minimalist golfer as well as I have started  cutting down on arsenals,   etal. Just as most bowlers would benefit learn how to play the lanes   differently and adust with release, etc.


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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011, 08:32:35 AM »
Funny - one guy says there is an utter lack of sound when the ball hits the pins, the other says they go "boom".


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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 04:56:15 PM »
 Rick - the last few days got me thinking...I may give Motiv a try...do you remember what I was looking for to fill...  What do you suggest? Let me refresh your memory ...  Hyroad ________ natural ;) see you in a month

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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 10:07:57 PM »
You people act like every ball that is made is a hook monster.

"I have to stand in front of the ball return" With what ball? Mission? Virtual Gravity?

I play straight down and in with a hard ball. EVERY company makes balls to battle these lane conditions, you dont buy high end balls and hope to play straight with them.


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Re: Why try Motiv?
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2011, 10:45:39 PM »
Hey xrayjay,
 
Yes, I feel one of their weaker pieces would offer you more of what you're looking for.  Something to help clear drier heads but not fly on the backends either (will elaborate on another post). If you remember when we crossed in the tourney, I was playing right of you with the Primal. My normal game has never been right of you bud...
xrayjay wrote on 3/20/2011 4:56 PM: Rick - the last few days got me thinking...I may give Motiv a try...do you remember what I was looking for to fill...  What do you suggest? Let me refresh your memory ...  Hyroad ________ natural ;) see you in a month

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Rick Leong - Ten Pins Pro Shop
Tag Team Coaching - Co-Founder
(Congrats to  students Scott Boyle - 2011 Team USA Champion and Mike Fujita Jr  -  2010 Collegiate Masters Champion)
"El" Presidente of the Legion
Rick Leong - Ten Pins Pro Shop
Co-Founder - Tag Team Coaching
"El" Presidente of the Legion