Author Topic: How would you fix Bowling and the PBA? (Read 3657 times)

Frederick · « **on:** July 13, 2011, 03:58:59 AM »

If you had the power to change the PBA and to make bowling a better sport, what would you do? What strategies would you use?

Frederick · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:10:21 PM »

103 views and not a single reply, lol...

I bet if I would of posted what's wrong with the PBA

I would of got some replies, lol... Easier to wine and complain

then to offer solutions. No wonder bowling is so screwed up. LOL...

sunsetlefty · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:50:22 PM »

1. More Team Shootout shows. This allows the viewer to see different bowlers, different equipment, different styles.

2. More Women's and Senior tournaments. Get the 'Ladies and Legends' thing going if you have to. I personally found this years' Womens' US Open to be a great show. Many great PBA bowlers are now, or will very soon, be seniors. Time to capitalize on market value of both the women and seniors.

3. Major sponsorship. This has been talked about for years, but it still hasn't happened.

4. Different television deal to stop competing with primetime NFL. Move it to Friday or Monday evening if you have to.

Just my opinion.....

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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:59:01 PM »

It has been posted and commented on here a lot. In the end everyone has learned, no matter how great your ideas, they literally mean absolutely nothing to anyone other then your self and the few people who read what you wrote.

I have changed my stance on this subject. The PBA is perfect. The people who now own it shouldn't change anything. Fewer PBA tournaments, no true national tour, and three tournaments that are pay-per-view online is the best idea yet. It will be the PBAs biggest year in recent history.

USBC and bowling are better now then ever. They take our checks and send us a sanction card and newsletter. What else can we ask for? They need the money for there salaries more then we need a true governing body. It is not a system of checks and balances. It is at the very least another Ponzi scheme.

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tommyboy74 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:00:05 PM »

The team shootout shows are great for the summer. That should stay without a doubt.

They need to stop competing with the NFL because anyone knows that the NFL will win every time. Move it back to its 1pm Saturday spot on ABC (everyone has that station), or do a Friday night. And on top of that, they need to go back to being LIVE. None of this pretaped stuff they do where we already know the results 2 months prior.

Also, the PBA should go back to the 5 match stepladder format similar to what they used to have. This way, more bowlers could be featured which always made it interesting.

The senior and women's tour need to be featured again. There is a ton of talent that unfortunately is not becoming as widely known because none of them are on tv lately.

The King of the Hill tournament was always fun to watch and should also come back. Remember Wes Malott's run a few years ago where he shot multiple 300's on tv?

Finally, the PBA needs to get some major sponsorship and increase the purse size of tournaments. In addition, their marketing department could use a complete overhaul.

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Photoc · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2011, 10:05:59 PM »

I thought it used to be a 5 man, 4 match format, not 6 man 5 match. Or maybe I'm forgetting something.

But either way, I agree, more matches and move back to Saturdays would be great. Get the sponsorships for 20+ events a year around the country, not all in a few spots and half the amount of events.

tommyboy74 wrote on 7/13/2011 8:00 PM:
Also, the PBA should go back to the 5 match stepladder format similar to what they used to have. This way, more bowlers could be featured which always made it interesting.

Mighty Buffalo · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:34:54 AM »

I'm all for the golden days of the PBA being on ABC's Wide World of Sports at 3 p.m. However, you are forgetting that there is now another TV juggernaut that is on Saturday, Collge Football. The college football ratings and number of games have gone through the roof, and I don't think ABC is going to put bowling on in favor of college football.

I think moving it to a Tuesday or Thursday evening timeslot has it's merit. Look at what has happened to poker on TV. A niche game that has had a major sponsor and put at a time that there was not a lot of competition. It seems to have a decent rating, and I know of a lot of people who watch poker that did not before. It also has to do with the publicity of it on TV. WSOP is advertised a lot on ESPN so that people know when the next part of the main event for poker will be on. There are hardly any commercials on for the PBA, this could be a major part of it, throw some more advertising dollars to let people know.

This is just an idea... ok, now you guys can kill it.

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AlBundy33 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:46:44 AM »

1. Start with a 16 tournament tour with 4 stops in each region of the country and hopefully rebuild your audience.

2. Get rid of Rob Stone.

3. Move the telecast to a night where you're not going head to head with the NFL, College Football or even later on College Basketball. Tuesday or Wednesday night should do the trick.

4. Instead of going after a large title sponsor, why not patch together a bunch of smaller sponsors and try to put a product out that people will watch.

5. Get rid of Rob Stone.

6. Go bat to the traditional five-man, four-match stepladder championship round with 18 games qualifying and 24 games of match play.

7. As for Vegas, the PBA should set aside one tournament similar to what the Showboat Invitational was with the 56-game long format.

8. Reinstitute the "Tip of the Week" with Randy Pedersen.

9. Leave the masking units alone if you are having the championship round at a center instead of an arena final, it defines the center's character, instead of the generic crap that the PBA currently uses.

10. Get rid of Rob Stone.

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Edited by AlBundy33 on 7/14/2011 at 6:47 AM

abrown · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:19:09 AM »

I first off would get a restructuring of the current exemption deal - less promised money and more qualifying to cash spots means more entries thus possibly more money.

Get rid of the pre tapped show and start doing the shows on say wed. night not really anything to compete with on tv other than normal cable shows.

Rob Stone has been a little comic relief but still is a complete idiot went it comes to the game, get rid of him hire someone with a personality that understands the game.

Restructure tournament format to maybe a 3 day start to finish leading the touring players more time with their family or other jobs? and less money going to hotels and staying in their wallet.

The world series of bowling is a good idea for the bowlers less time away instead of a month and half worth of tourney its a week'n half here and the major finals a couple weeks later. But i still prefer seeing a bowler have the chance to win alot of events if they get hot not having the WSOB the other majors and a few others thrown in go back to the 20+ per year, no one will rival any of the greats in terms of number of titles with the formats they use now.

Do more of the team shootouts, KOH, doubles, hell even the mixed doubles tourney couple years ago was better than some of the more recent shows, they could even try a legends and current bowlers double format I know id watch it.

The truth is it dont matter what we think the owners are going to continue to bastardize the game till its obsolete and bowlers are for the most part powerless against it.

Thats my 2cent

jensm · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:26:47 AM »

Establish a firm link beween the PBA and the WTBA World Tour in order to attract more sponsorship from global brands. Prize sums need to double at the very least.

Regards,

jensm

SKIDSNAP · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:30:03 AM »

+1

Except you forgot one thing......

GET RID OF ROB STONE

AlBundy33 wrote on 7/14/2011 6:46 AM:
1. Start with a 16 tournament tour with 4 stops in each region of the country and hopefully rebuild your audience.

2. Get rid of Rob Stone.

3. Move the telecast to a night where you're not going head to head with the NFL, College Football or even later on College Basketball. Tuesday or Wednesday night should do the trick.

4. Instead of going after a large title sponsor, why not patch together a bunch of smaller sponsors and try to put a product out that people will watch.

5. Get rid of Rob Stone.

6. Go bat to the traditional five-man, four-match stepladder championship round with 18 games qualifying and 24 games of match play.

7. As for Vegas, the PBA should set aside one tournament similar to what the Showboat Invitational was with the 56-game long format.

8. Reinstitute the "Tip of the Week" with Randy Pedersen.

9. Leave the masking units alone if you are having the championship round at a center instead of an arena final, it defines the center's character, instead of the generic crap that the PBA currently uses.

10. Get rid of Rob Stone.

"Pretty women make us buy beer, ugly women make us drink beer"

Edited by AlBundy33 on 7/14/2011 at 6:47 AM

Edited by SKIDSNAP on 7/14/2011 at 7:30 AM

Spider Man · « **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2011, 10:32:23 AM »

#1 is find a way to bring more money to the sport (See sponsor comments.). This would lead to more shows and tour stops. How does the PBA expect to build a fan base when it's on for all of four months? Also pro's making $24,000 will not attract outside interest.

#2 is determine if it wants to be a serious or a light-hearted deal. either go all in with the Rash/Belmo rivalry and eye candy (see WWE.) or go back to pure bowling. The half-aced product now is confusing.

#3 is make a stand against the 4-lettered network. This is a toxic relationship. And be prepared to find a new TV deal as plan B or C. Hell, even try to make a deal with Netflix for some live streaming of its online production. Netflix is beginning to produce original programing.

Linger Longer™

Edited by Spider Man on 7/14/2011 at 10:34 AM

Frederick · « **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2011, 11:22:03 AM »

Here's the quickest and most simplest way to bring more money to the PBA..

Raise USBC dues by $1. That $1 goes into the PBA prize funds for that year.

Spider Man wrote on 7/14/2011 10:32 AM:#1 is find a way to bring more money to the sport (See sponsor comments.). This would lead to more shows and tour stops. How does the PBA expect to build a fan base when it's on for all of four months? Also pro's making $24,000 will not attract outside interest.

#2 is determine if it wants to be a serious or a light-hearted deal. either go all in with the Rash/Belmo rivalry and eye candy (see WWE.) or go back to pure bowling. The half-aced product now is confusing.

#3 is make a stand against the 4-lettered network. This is a toxic relationship. And be prepared to find a new TV deal as plan B or C. Hell, even try to make a deal with Netflix for some live streaming of its online production. Netflix is beginning to produce original programing.

Linger Longer™

Edited by Spider Man on 7/14/2011 at 10:34 AM

milorafferty · « **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2011, 01:23:24 PM »

You do know that USBC and PBA are two different entities, right?

And if the PBA wants a dollar from me, give us back the PBA patterns for our sport leagues.

Ace1542 wrote on 7/14/2011 11:22 AM:Here's the quickest and most simplest way to bring more money to the PBA..

Raise USBC dues by $1. That $1 goes into the PBA prize funds for that year.
Spider Man wrote on 7/14/2011 10:32 AM:#1 is find a way to bring more money to the sport (See sponsor comments.). This would lead to more shows and tour stops. How does the PBA expect to build a fan base when it's on for all of four months? Also pro's making $24,000 will not attract outside interest.

#2 is determine if it wants to be a serious or a light-hearted deal. either go all in with the Rash/Belmo rivalry and eye candy (see WWE.) or go back to pure bowling. The half-aced product now is confusing.

#3 is make a stand against the 4-lettered network. This is a toxic relationship. And be prepared to find a new TV deal as plan B or C. Hell, even try to make a deal with Netflix for some live streaming of its online production. Netflix is beginning to produce original programing.

Linger Longer™

Edited by Spider Man on 7/14/2011 at 10:34 AM

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 14, 2011, 03:00:14 PM »

Two different entities just like the PGA and the USGA.

People assume USBC should be more like the USGA, the USGA doesn't give it's money to the PGA. The USGA has a Major on the PGA tour, the PGA tour does not. That is why the PGA calls the Players Championship "the 5th major" but still doesn't count as one.(only 4)

The PBA has always been it's own business. The PBA tried getting money from the USBC by charging money for its PBA oil patterns. That is why you no longer bowl sport leagues on those PBA patterns. The Little League of America isn't going to be paying money anytime soon to any of the owners of MLB. The reason is they are their own separate businesses that like real business have to take care of themselves. USBC currently can not manage it's own business very well, why trust them to donate money to a completely separate business.

If the PWBA went under because people stopped watching and the owners of the PBA do the same thing then it shows there is no longer a market to support it. Are we going to donate money to get the XFL back as well? If it dies because of poor ownership then so be it.

Be good, or be good at it.

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